All Blacks v France Test #1
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@bovidae Im sorry but that is just fence sitting. I'm glad you are a fan of hindsight. I back the ref in all those decisions he made them from what he saw end of story F the TV. The TMO has added nothing to rugby but long winded reviews of nothing and FFS George Ayoub is the shitist ref ever why do you think he's a TMO they don't trust him on field.
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@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
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Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
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@damo Sorry bollocks from the knock on the retreating player directly picked the ball up he was never played onside.
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@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
That’s how I saw it too, just like when a kicker runs forward after kicking the ball and puts all the players in front of him onside.
I assume the rule is the same if you knock on instead of kick it?
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@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
I need to have a shower and scrub myself clean after typing the words " should have used TMO", as my real opinion is TMOs and directives from Referees Tower in IRB HQ should get out of the game and referees left to make common sense decisions based on what they see not what they think other people want other people not to see.
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Speak of the devil, I'm now just watching Ire v Aus replay. And TMO over turns a try ...
Jeezus Christ. This sport is a mess.
TMOs out. Let refs make mistakes. It's not that big a deal.
As for the scare of the moment - let the Obscure contacts with head be decided in judiciary. Ref just penalise unless it's a blatant bit of foul play.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
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@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
He is a slightly better TMO than he was as an on field ref.
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Felt sorry for the frogs because if the YC or Ardies try was awarded against my team I'd be royally pissed. v
Very poor display of following protocols and the sudden flourish of the yellow card doesn't fill me with confidence. Confirmation bias will have people hating the tmo stoppages but I'm sure the data suggests the tmo more often delivers the correct ruling.Ardies knee down try is an inconsistent area in current rugby
The 3-some concussion is a precarious one. Lot's of accidental in that but sure, shoulder to head contact.
I gravely fear we're going to paint ourselves into a corner and have no options left when an attacker ducks their head under the "nipple line".
Nice to see a player marched 10 for what he should have learned at age 10. (Murray got penalised for gobshiting as well in Brisbane).
Officialdom appropriately aside, really good win. Very happy with that first up.Well led Hagrid
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@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
That’s a pretty generous interpretation. Even the diagram examples in the law book show clearly that the intention is for a ball carrier, not ball knocker on to be able to move in front of a teammate and put them onside.
It is a penalisable offence to deliberately pass a ball forward but you are interpreting that it is legal to bat a ball forward as long as you manage to run in front before the catch? That’s illogical.
By deliberately catching a knocked on ball the player has removed all possibility of an advantage play by the opposition. -
Seems to be a tactic brought in from super rugby but the crawling/rolling on the ground after being tackled is really starting to annoy the fu#k out of me. ALB seems to be an expert at it and Ardie took full advantage of it.
It's just another thing refs have to keep an eye out for, for which they already have too many things to look out for.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
That's what makes me wonder if there has been one of these 'referee memos' that aren't actually prescribed law but more an opinion from the bosses on interpretation.
It could explain the debacle in the third Lions test and the words used on the field. Does it all stem from fear of what happened to Joubert at the RWC?You might be onto something there.
At the end of the day i am happy for them to rule it a scrum only every time. However they need to change the law so there is never a chance for inconsistency and a ref giving a crucial penalty.The whole "deliberate" knock on is a similar one but has gone the other way. Ruling that as a penalty in most cases has just lead to wild inconsistency with anything from a knock on to a penalty try and yellow card.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
That’s a pretty generous interpretation. Even the diagram examples in the law book show clearly that the intention is for a ball carrier, not ball knocker on to be able to move in front of a teammate and put them onside.
It is a penalisable offence to deliberately pass a ball forward but you are interpreting that it is legal to bat a ball forward as long as you manage to run in front before the catch? That’s illogical.
By deliberately catching a knocked on ball the player has removed all possibility of an advantage play by the opposition.I am saying very little really.
I am saying that when a player is offside he cannot play the ball or interfere with play. However when that player is no longer offside, there is no restriction on him playing the ball or interfering with play.
I think the law I quoted above is pretty clear.
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