All Blacks v France Test #1
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@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
If you go back long enough the original TSF boards had plenty of posters questioning whether a certain J.Lomu should be selected due to his shaky defence and 'turning like the Titanic'. Both valid criticisms but given way to much weight when sided against his attacking attributes.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
Kids were running around in the last 10 minutes so missed the Ardie try. What's the ref's excuse?
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@bovidae Im sorry but that is just fence sitting. I'm glad you are a fan of hindsight. I back the ref in all those decisions he made them from what he saw end of story F the TV. The TMO has added nothing to rugby but long winded reviews of nothing and FFS George Ayoub is the shitist ref ever why do you think he's a TMO they don't trust him on field.
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@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
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Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
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@damo Sorry bollocks from the knock on the retreating player directly picked the ball up he was never played onside.
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@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
That’s how I saw it too, just like when a kicker runs forward after kicking the ball and puts all the players in front of him onside.
I assume the rule is the same if you knock on instead of kick it?
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@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
I need to have a shower and scrub myself clean after typing the words " should have used TMO", as my real opinion is TMOs and directives from Referees Tower in IRB HQ should get out of the game and referees left to make common sense decisions based on what they see not what they think other people want other people not to see.
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Speak of the devil, I'm now just watching Ire v Aus replay. And TMO over turns a try ...
Jeezus Christ. This sport is a mess.
TMOs out. Let refs make mistakes. It's not that big a deal.
As for the scare of the moment - let the Obscure contacts with head be decided in judiciary. Ref just penalise unless it's a blatant bit of foul play.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
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@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
He is a slightly better TMO than he was as an on field ref.
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Felt sorry for the frogs because if the YC or Ardies try was awarded against my team I'd be royally pissed. v
Very poor display of following protocols and the sudden flourish of the yellow card doesn't fill me with confidence. Confirmation bias will have people hating the tmo stoppages but I'm sure the data suggests the tmo more often delivers the correct ruling.Ardies knee down try is an inconsistent area in current rugby
The 3-some concussion is a precarious one. Lot's of accidental in that but sure, shoulder to head contact.
I gravely fear we're going to paint ourselves into a corner and have no options left when an attacker ducks their head under the "nipple line".
Nice to see a player marched 10 for what he should have learned at age 10. (Murray got penalised for gobshiting as well in Brisbane).
Officialdom appropriately aside, really good win. Very happy with that first up.Well led Hagrid
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@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
That’s a pretty generous interpretation. Even the diagram examples in the law book show clearly that the intention is for a ball carrier, not ball knocker on to be able to move in front of a teammate and put them onside.
It is a penalisable offence to deliberately pass a ball forward but you are interpreting that it is legal to bat a ball forward as long as you manage to run in front before the catch? That’s illogical.
By deliberately catching a knocked on ball the player has removed all possibility of an advantage play by the opposition.
