Crusaders vs Waratahs
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@kirwan said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
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@stargazer said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Edited to add that I also didn't make the stills of Moody's elbow fend/hit to defend him, but to see what actually happened. The real time clip was way too fast and you couldn't clearly see the point of first contact and whether/where it hit Beale's head. That's what I wanted to see.
Cheers for those - the video looked horrible, but the stills seem to show it's arm/elbow to chest. Hopefully there are more angles to clarify at the judiciary
Iâm sure they will use the video though, because it shows the striking and itâs impact. It was an incredibly brain dead thing to do.
He left it to chance whether he hit him in the head, moving target and all that.
Good on Beale for getting straight back up too. If he played dead like an Argentinian that could have been a red card.
Yes, incredibly reckless & stupid. He's an experienced All Black; no excuses.
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@kirwan said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Iâm sure they will use the video though, because it shows the striking and itâs impact.
Yeah hopefully they stick with the "intent" part of the process, and judge it on that. Its not about the result, but unfortunately too often the consequences of the action are taken into account, rather than the intent of the player.
e.g. "The player was forced to leave the field due to injury so we'll seek a longer sentence" versus "The play got back up straight away so it wasn't that serious - cut 2 weeks off it"
Someone made the comment earlier about Chance Peni on Dagg, but the resulting injury is completely irrelevant IMHO.
If he'd just run interference on Beale (again, several metres ahead of the ball), he'd probably be fine. Raising the forearm is where the stupid happens, and shows his intent was more than just a bit of niggle.
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@tim said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Waratahs should be extremely pissed off by that.
Irritated, but if we're honest, that's not the reason we lost a game we should have won. We went away from what was working for us in the first half.
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@nepia said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
@chris-b said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Fuck you, Joe!
We need to clone Wyatt Crockett.
Loosehead prop who can play lots of minutes without getting broken and without doing ridiculously dumb shit!
However the explanatory calculations run, he'll get two weeks for that.
Wait, are you sure you're talking about Crockett?
When Chris B said that I was immediately thinking of Crockett injuring himself in the last RWC with his flying elbow ruck clean out.
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Messam's against South Africa in 2013 would've had the Jaguares nodding in appreciation.
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@toddy said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
Messam's against South Africa in 2013 would've had the Jaguares nodding in appreciation.
Wow. I just no longer know what is satire any more.
As an aside, have been watching some old AB SA games while exercising. Messam has been simply immense against him - a fair few saffer fans I know rate him, and I can see why based on his perforamnce against them. He was quality for a long time.
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That seems pretty light to me.
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Having seen those still shots 2 weeks seems anout right to me. However i would be pissed if i was a tah supporter. That try was a turning point. Take that away and add a yellow or red card and i don't see the Crusaders getting back into the game.
Oh well, im happy to see that happen to any team with Folau in it. -
It has now been found that Moody contravened Law 9.12: Striking with hand or arm. In his finding, Foul Play Review Committee Chairman Nigel Hampton QC ruled the following: âHaving conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles and a statement from the player, and submissions from his legal representative, Aaron Lloyd, the Foul Play Review Committee upheld the citing under Law 9.12.â âWith respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee deemed the act of foul play merited a mid-range entry point of 4 weeks due to the dangerous contact with the opposing Playerâs head. However, taking into account mitigating factors including the Playerâs excellent judicial record, good character and guilty plea at the earliest possible opportunity, the Foul Play Review Committee reduced the suspension to 2 weeks.â âThe player is therefore suspended for 2 weeks, up to and including Friday 25 May 2018.â -
@pukunui said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
i would be pissed if i was a tah supporter. That try was a turning point. Take that away and add a yellow or red card and i don't see the Crusaders getting back into the game.
Yeah, nah. Thing is there were another stack of chances to win or stay ahead in that game, and we blew it.
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The World Rugby Laws thing is offline apparently, and I believe they "simplified" it recently by rewriting a few sections.
I still had the 2015 copy I downloaded for one of our guys being cited. It states that under Law 10.4(a) Striking another Player with a hand, arm or fist the entry level is 2 weeks, Mid-range is 5 weeks, Top End 8 weeks.
However, if they deemed it contact to the head - and understanding that Moody has a clean record* - then it doesn't send a great message about all the concussion-related stuff and protecting players' heads that has been talked about.
Not sure what his character has to do with fuck all. Its not a popularity contest.
But it was always going to be 2-4 weeks so yeah, all good.
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@stargazer said in Crusaders vs Waratahs:
It has now been found that Moody contravened Law 9.12: Striking with hand or arm. In his finding, Foul Play Review Committee Chairman Nigel Hampton QC ruled the following: âHaving conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles and a statement from the player, and submissions from his legal representative, Aaron Lloyd, the Foul Play Review Committee upheld the citing under Law 9.12.â âWith respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee deemed the act of foul play merited a mid-range entry point of 4 weeks due to the dangerous contact with the opposing Playerâs head. However, taking into account mitigating factors including the Playerâs excellent judicial record, good character and guilty plea at the earliest possible opportunity, the Foul Play Review Committee reduced the suspension to 2 weeks.â âThe player is therefore suspended for 2 weeks, up to and including Friday 25 May 2018.âHe's a very lucky boy. Leave your fate in the hands of the judiciary and anything can happen
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Below is the relevant bit of the WR Handbook. I think what the key difference is between the accusations from Australian media on the one hand, and the citing and decision of SANZAAR on the other, is that the Aussies claimed that Moody hit Beale's throat with his elbow. The charge and decision are about striking with the hand or arm, not elbow. That's why they started with a mid-rang entry point of 4 instead of 6 weeks.
APPENDIX 1. WORLD RUGBY SANCTIONS FOR FOUL PLAY (REGULATION 17)
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@Stargazer very important distinction. Maybe he would have had 4 weeks if the reduction stood at 2 weeks.
But treading a very fine line - any martial artist will tell you a forearm strike is just an elbow you mistimed
From now its up to Moody's good character to see it doesn't happen again, because he can't fall back on "clean record".
