England tour to RSA
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@tim said in England tour to RSA:
Who are the opensides in that squad? Are they any good?
Underhill is the great white hope but seems to be continually broken. He made a fantastic tackle on a Welsh guy to stop a certain try in the 6N, he's a ferocious tackler and a general bloody nuisance at the breakdown.
When he's playing.
Tom Curry has impressed on the tour to Argentina last year but not really an out and out 7 as yet. It doesn't help that he is played at 6 and 7 for his club and has suffered some injury problems this season. The bolter could be Sam Simmonds the Exeter No8. He is small for an 8 and is really quick off the mark. He tackles well, carries well, albeit in a non-English way as he tries to avoid contact and make ground round the edges. But,
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@rapido said in England tour to RSA:
I had read that some players may be rested due to workloads/last years Lions tour. But that looks like full strength minus injuries?
We're down the two scrum halves that played in the 6N, first choice 13, first choice wing/fullback, another first choice wing, first choice hooker and tight head, first and fourth choice locks and starting 8 from the 6N, plus another 4 wider squad members. So not ideal with RSA getting their shit together. Although there is the argument that some of those "first choices" should not have been, in which case it gives a chance for those who perhaps have not had their fair chance a good crack at things. It's going to be an interesting tour that's for sure.
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@majorrage said in England tour to RSA:
Here's the article ...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12049368
Agree with you that Robshaw takes a lot of unwarranted stick. I suspect the writer of this article has don more research on Shields, than actually watching him play.
Well he hasn't researched WR regulations has he?
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@majorrage said in England tour to RSA:
@dmx Thats a little harsh on Eddie I think. He's had a huge amount of success coaching so is in demand. The England rugby coach is arguably the biggest job in world rugby - which coach worth their salt wouldn't want it?
Gatland, Schmidt, Cotter all mercenaries?
why do you say it is the biggest job in rugby? because of the salary? expectations? difficulty?
reminds mo of all those english football supporters who would say the english coach is the biggest job in world football. no one outside england thought that or gave it a second thought....
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@dagrubster said in England tour to RSA:
@majorrage said in England tour to RSA:
@dmx Thats a little harsh on Eddie I think. He's had a huge amount of success coaching so is in demand. The England rugby coach is arguably the biggest job in world rugby - which coach worth their salt wouldn't want it?
Gatland, Schmidt, Cotter all mercenaries?
why do you say it is the biggest job in rugby? because of the salary? expectations? difficulty?
reminds mo of all those english football supporters who would say the english coach is the biggest job in world football. no one outside england thought that or gave it a second thought....
That is the biggest job in world rugby.
- Most wealthy union
- Most professional players
- Biggest pyramid of players
- Most media attention
I'd say that it is certainly the biggest job in world rugby
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@nzzp fair enough thanks. it is not something that i have thought about in rugby but have heard it in football as mentioned.
i suppose there has to be an element of difficulty in it as well. England have only been considered the best in the world on roughly 3-4 years in the last 100 so that in itself shows the magnitude of the job.
I dont think there is a huge expectancy from the english public that puts pressure on a coach like say the AB coach or english football (although that has mostly dissapeared now)
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@dagrubster said in England tour to RSA:
@nzzp fair enough thanks. it is not something that i have thought about in rugby but have heard it in football as mentioned.
Difference with football/soccer is that internationals are not the apex of the game like they are in Rugby. The english football manager is just another coach - it's the supporters who are (and don't take this wrong way lurking englishers) deluding themselves as to the quality of their international side.
Rugby's a whole different ball o'wax.
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stronger team than i thought was going to be selected. Eddie has had to play players he would prefer to rest on this tour.
I thought SA would win this tour before the english side was named but not so sure now although I imagine a lot of the english players will be running on empty.
with the boks looking like they will improve, at home and an english side fatigued i expect the boks to come away with a series win and heap more pressure on Eddie
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@nzzp he is now, never used to be the case but as you say, internatioanl football has lost importance and interest in England due to decades of expectation and ultimate faliure, which has been replaced somewhat by english clubs in europe.
still, would love to see england do well in a tournament again
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@dagrubster said in England tour to RSA:
with the boks looking like they will improve, at home and an english side fatigued i expect the boks to come away with a series win and heap more pressure on Eddie
If the big SA loose forwards get rolling, it could be good fun out there. The way the Sharks manhandled us all over the paddock is fresh in my head. Big, committed rugby players take some beating. Going to be a crackign series.
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@nzzp said in England tour to RSA:
@dagrubster said in England tour to RSA:
@nzzp fair enough thanks. it is not something that i have thought about in rugby but have heard it in football as mentioned.
Difference with football/soccer is that internationals are not the apex of the game like they are in Rugby. The english football manager is just another coach - it's the supporters who are (and don't take this wrong way lurking englishers) deluding themselves as to the quality of their international side.
Rugby's a whole different ball o'wax.
You are wrong there. Nobody in England rates their football team. They don't even sell out stadiums anymore.
I'm sure they'll support them in the WC but there is zero expectation of them!
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@majorrage said in England tour to RSA:
@nzzp said in England tour to RSA:
@dagrubster said in England tour to RSA:
@nzzp fair enough thanks. it is not something that i have thought about in rugby but have heard it in football as mentioned.
Difference with football/soccer is that internationals are not the apex of the game like they are in Rugby. The english football manager is just another coach - it's the supporters who are (and don't take this wrong way lurking englishers) deluding themselves as to the quality of their international side.
Rugby's a whole different ball o'wax.
You are wrong there. Nobody in England rates their football team. They don't even sell out stadiums anymore.
I'm sure they'll support them in the WC but there is zero expectation of them!
You're right of course, up to and until we go to a major championship, then the media fellate the team and manager and the whole country puts out the St George's flag, including those really annoying ones stuck on all the cars and then we get kicked out in the group stages again.
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After last night's MOTM performance for Cardiff Blues is Olly Robinson worth a go at 7?
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@majorrage said in England tour to RSA:
Here's the article ...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12049368
Agree with you that Robshaw takes a lot of unwarranted stick. I suspect the writer of this article has don more research on Shields, than actually watching him play.
Better hands, I don't think so but it is sure that Shields runs faster than Robshaw. The latter is a carthorse.
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@catogrande said in England tour to RSA:
@majorrage said in England tour to RSA:
@nzzp said in England tour to RSA:
@dagrubster said in England tour to RSA:
@nzzp fair enough thanks. it is not something that i have thought about in rugby but have heard it in football as mentioned.
Difference with football/soccer is that internationals are not the apex of the game like they are in Rugby. The english football manager is just another coach - it's the supporters who are (and don't take this wrong way lurking englishers) deluding themselves as to the quality of their international side.
Rugby's a whole different ball o'wax.
You are wrong there. Nobody in England rates their football team. They don't even sell out stadiums anymore.
I'm sure they'll support them in the WC but there is zero expectation of them!
You're right of course, up to and until we go to a major championship, then the media fellate the team and manager and the whole country puts out the St George's flag, including those really annoying ones stuck on all the cars and then we get kicked out in the group stages again.
I thought you traditionally made the knockouts and lost on penalties. (Nice little joke in the movie 'Flushed Away' where England lose the final in a shootout.)
