Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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Lehman expected to resign.
And in a massive shock, it's now being claimed that Warner is the "ringleader"
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@kiwimurph said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
In my uneducated opinion, I dare say there was never a senior players meeting to discuss cheating - Smith made that up to take the heat of a young Cameron Bancroft not realising the outrage that would follow. — Moises Henriques Ps. Not saying no one was aware of Cameron doing it, just highly doubt there was a ‘senior players meeting’ to decide to cheat. I think it was the captain attempting to protect a young player. They had 10 mins of panic between end of play & press conference. — Moises Henriquesthis has to be a joke, surely?
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@kiwimurph yea, i get it's from a legit source. So he's either joking, dim, or being a bit of a fluffybunny to Bancroft to back up his mate.
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@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@kiwimurph said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
In my uneducated opinion, I dare say there was never a senior players meeting to discuss cheating - Smith made that up to take the heat of a young Cameron Bancroft not realising the outrage that would follow. — Moises Henriques Ps. Not saying no one was aware of Cameron doing it, just highly doubt there was a ‘senior players meeting’ to decide to cheat. I think it was the captain attempting to protect a young player. They had 10 mins of panic between end of play & press conference. — Moises Henriquesthis has to be a joke, surely?
The senior leadership team are all fellow NSWmen.
But it could be partly plausible?
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@rapido the only way i could see any of it being plausible is the "no senior player meeting" bit. The rest insinuates that Bancroft did it off his own bat, Smith knew but didn't orchestrate, and only took to "blame" to cover a young fulla, out of the goodness of his heart.
That's a bit of a stretch
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@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@rapido the only way i could see any of it being plausible is the "no senior player meeting" bit. The rest insinuates that Bancroft did it off his own bat, Smith knew but didn't orchestrate, and only took to "blame" to cover a young fulla, out of the goodness of his heart.
That's a bit of a stretch
Didn't Smith admit there was a meeting?
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Bancroft must be a good actor then, he certainly came across as genuine during the interview. And the footage of him freaking out and hiding the tape.
Sooner this gets fully aired the better. Has got murkier by the day as to who led or was involved in the planning. You'd think Bancroft would have fallen on his sword if it was actually his idea, independent of any input by Smith or other players.
Boof staying silent is the really interesting part - but no doubt we'll know more soon.
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@barbarian Welcome to my bandwagon.
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I am going to find a replay of the CWC Final and grab my fine tooth comb.
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@paekakboyz said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Bancroft must be a good actor then, he certainly came across as genuine during the interview. And the footage of him freaking out and hiding the tape.
Sooner this gets fully aired the better. Has got murkier by the day as to who led or was involved in the planning. You'd think Bancroft would have fallen on his sword if it was actually his idea, independent of any input by Smith or other players.
Boof staying silent is the really interesting part - but no doubt we'll know more soon.
Surely it would have been less of a mess of it was just Bancroft, implicating smith and other senior players makes it a much bigger mess.
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@chimoaus said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I'm waiting for the 12th man to come out of retirement, he would have a field day with this.
He posted this yesterday
The 12th Man
I've been too stunned and too sad to even think what I might want to say about the events in South Africa. How dare these clowns tarnish our reputation, and the game itself, in such a disgusting...
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@bovidae said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@donsteppa said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Jason Gillespie:
We need this information and we need it yesterday because I know of at least one senior player who is outraged that they have been dragged into the dirt by association without having been involved at all.Starc and Hazlewood have now been mentioned as those players.
It's possible, but it would seem to somewhat defeat the purpose of ball tampering if your leading seamers didn't know what you were doing?
They've really got to give Smith, Bancroft and Warner decent bans to rehabilitate them so that people sort of go "they've done their time". If they go soft on them, the scandal will just play on that much longer - like the booing of Quade Cooper.
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I did like the way Smith threw Bancroft under the bus. Front a press conference and turn to the young bloke to your right and ask him to explain himself. Good leadership.
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@chris-b said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
They've really got to give Smith, Bancroft and Warner decent bans to rehabilitate them so that people sort of go "they've done their time". If they go soft on them, the scandal will just play on that much longer - like the booing of Quade Cooper.
Well according to Cricinfo they don't play another Test until December (though there are unconfirmed reports they are going to Bangladesh at some point before then). Which puts them in a bit of a bind.
A six month ban would see them miss ODIs and T20s in England. That seems the bare minimum. One year would put them out of the home series against India. To me that seems like an overreaction given the public shaming they have been subject to.
And I'd suggest no ban will ever be enough to stop the booing.
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Apparently the whole team knew about it.
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After further research, we are pencilled in for one test in Zimbabwe and two tests in Bangladesh in around August.
It seems a no-brainer to sit Warner and Smith for these two series, in addition to the England ODIs. They can then return for the Australian summer for a redemption tour of sorts.
Gives a chance for some new blood, new captain, new coach etc. in a few less intense series away from home.
'The bowlers knew about it. The whole team did'
