Whiny Warren Gatland
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@talisker said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
I really do not have a horse in this race, but I wonder if there is anything Gatland is reacting to, or if he is solely the protagonist here?
Without checking back, his record with Wales will probably be better than Henry or Hansen achieved, certainly the Lions has been a success for him in terms of results.
You could argue that systems put in place during Henry and Hansen's time have helped him to a better record with Wales.
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@nepia said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@talisker said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
I really do not have a horse in this race, but I wonder if there is anything Gatland is reacting to, or if he is solely the protagonist here?
Without checking back, his record with Wales will probably be better than Henry or Hansen achieved, certainly the Lions has been a success for him in terms of results.
You could argue that systems put in place during Henry and Hansen's time have helped him to a better record with Wales.
Yep, and let's not forget that Henry inherited a team that had been pumped by 90 odd points in South Africa.
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@talisker said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
I really do not have a horse in this race, but I wonder if there is anything Gatland is reacting to, or if he is solely the protagonist here?
Without checking back, his record with Wales will probably be better than Henry or Hansen achieved, certainly the Lions has been a success for him in terms of results.
He bought the lame clown jibes on himself by being a embarrassment whenever there was a microphone near him. The upside to his incessant whining is the massive gaping Ahole will never coach the abs.
Henry started with Wales at a much lower point than the clown 2.0 ever did.
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It's hard to say, because Gatland was such a great Waikato man in terms of playing, but fuck he's a dick as a coach. He never misses an opportunity nowadays to spit bile about the ABs, and every time he comes across as a complete fuckwit.
And if the only way he can get airtime about his book is claiming explosive news about the ABs, then he has a shit PR firm or it is a really lame offering.
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What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
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@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
He should be consigned to the Robbie Deans memorial dustbin for coaches who behaved in a manner unbecoming of a future AB coach
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@canefan said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
He should be consigned to the Robbie Deans memorial dustbin for coaches who behaved in a manner unbecoming of a future AB coach
I would think that he's well aware that that particular ship sailed a long time ago.
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@catogrande said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@canefan said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
He should be consigned to the Robbie Deans memorial dustbin for coaches who behaved in a manner unbecoming of a future AB coach
I would think that he's well aware that that particular ship sailed a long time ago.
He should be. But self awareness doesn't seem to be one of his strong points...
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@donsteppa said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@catogrande said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@canefan said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
He should be consigned to the Robbie Deans memorial dustbin for coaches who behaved in a manner unbecoming of a future AB coach
I would think that he's well aware that that particular ship sailed a long time ago.
He should be. But self awareness doesn't seem to be one of his strong points...
Point
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He's been up here 10 years or so ... spitting bile and whinging about the ABs is a pastime, of which the Taffs are right at the forefront.
The thing that makes me laugh though, is the reporters who cover it, sitting on some moral soapbox whilst their own columns on the ABs are forever nasty, full of shit and sometimes rather personal as well.
And to think the King of all this shit says Kiwis don't get irony ...
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@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
Does he really want either?
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@booboo said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
Does he really want either?
The money is probably better there and the KPIs are lower
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@booboo you have to wonder aye. Unless he thinks Tew and NZ management will have cleared out by 2019 or whenever he's off contract! For a guy that likes to frame himself as a straight shooter and not into the scuttlebutt etc...yeah right buddy
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@canefan said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@booboo said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
Does he really want either?
The money is probably better there and the KPIs are lower
Prezactly
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@booboo said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@canefan said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@booboo said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
Does he really want either?
The money is probably better there and the KPIs are lower
Prezactly
Still, I'd take a little less money for the honour of coaching the ABs. I reckon Warren would too
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@canefan fuck that! It's a no win job.
We win 99.9% of the games we play, and still the coaches get a whack from the public if we don't look like the personification of perfect rugby played by aggressive angels.
Lose? Hatchet jobs. Just win? Not god enough what are the coaches/selectors doing. Win by a shit load? Well, we just expect that.
I would take a high paying job where every success is celebrated, and winning more than you lose is brilliant.
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@mariner4life winning ugly is not acceptable anymore
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I'm not a Gatland hater.
But I'm starting to find it all quite bizarre.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/99076442/warren-gatland-backtracks-on-accusations-of-explosive-info-on-the-all-blacks "Explosive is a pretty exaggerated word," he said of his own description. "I said I'd known things about the All Blacks and how personal some of the attacks on me were, that if it needed to get dirty, I'd reveal a little bit of stuff.It's not the first time I've heard this, about it getting too personal. About his son etc. Maybe I also heard this on Reunion from JK.
I gave up on the Herald during that tour, so maybe I missed some?
What happened?
- Gats got a clown cartoon a year before the tour when he white knighted on Cheika getting the clown treatment.
- I remember articles about Bryn playing his Dad's team, but they were all warm fuzzy feel-good stories that I read.
- Press started going on about "Warren-ball" after Lions scored 2 tries in first 3 games of the tour IIRC. Gats lost his rag in a press conference but I think it was with British media? I actually felt at that point a limited 'warrenball' style was a good approach for a scratch tour team so I found the kiwi criticism of the style irritiating. But it wasn't an NZ 'thing'.
- Gatland did ref-grooming via the press about obstructing kick chasers. NZ crowds reacted negatively to this. Can't remember any particular media thing.
- Gatland accused ABs of foul play after first test. Media came to NZ defence. I think at this point Hansen got cross with Gats. also I think this is when he got clown-cartooned again.
Then we had the 'Geography 6' thing, that touring press got in a froth about. NZ media and fans didn't appear to give 2 shits.
I don't get it.
At the end of the series I was quite pleased for Gats, and felt he should feel a bit justified. My Kiwi hackles were raised a bit about his treatment (for years) by British and Irish media. I thought he did a good job, got some luck, but in the end his approach was justified.
What have I missed? I stopped reading the Herald as I was finding them a bit juvenile. I haven't been back. I already didn't read any of Rattue or Reason.
It's not just Gats being paranoid though. My foreign press reading is via The Guardian. They mention 'hostile press' etc like touring a country with 2 newspaper organisations is a trip into psychological warfare land.
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@rapido trying to sell a book!
