Springboks v All Blacks
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And that game made me realise: I'm fine with ABs being "boringly dominant". Blood pressure is cool with enjoying the close hard-fought games between sides where I only have a slight preference for the winner.
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@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks:
SBW was not good at all. I rate the guy but his performances this year have been underwhelming to say the least.
Was also disappointed with Scott Barrett. He fell off a lot of tackles and PT was a huge step up off the bench. For the Boks, Marx and Estebeth were unbelievably good. Marx just put in the best performance from a forward in a test match I think I have ever seen.
No, he didn't. According to the match stats, he only missed 2 tackles.
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@mimic said in Springboks v All Blacks:
I thought SBW was huge on defence. Saw him make a few cover tackles..
In attack, I was worried every time they passed him the ballYes, on attack SBW was poor, but he made 22 tackles (the most of all players!) and missed only one. Source: ESPN
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@stargazer Will have to watch it again but it seemed like he slipped off more than a couple upon first viewing.
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Stuff gave SBW an 8.5 and DMac and Crotty a 7 each. Were they even watching the same game?
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@stargazer said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@mimic said in Springboks v All Blacks:
I thought SBW was huge on defence. Saw him make a few cover tackles..
In attack, I was worried every time they passed him the ballYes, on attack SBW was poor, but he made 22 tackles (the most of all players!) and missed only one. Source: ESPN
Which would be bloody grand if he wasn't the one turning the ball over forcing everyone to have to make those extra tackles.
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I hope South Africa can learn to play that way every week!!! Great to have a test.
In saying that they lost, let's reflect how good ABs were to win that with all adversity with players out inj etc as well as handling errors!
Can't fault any ABs, all played there part, DMAC, never thought he would stand up to this type of test but proven wrong and happy for it.
All the SBW hate, get over it! He did his job, his d with Crotty has been amazing. On attack he is not going to make every offload stick but in the greater scheme he attracts players and opens space which doesn't show on stats. -
Nice to see that Garces has learnt the offside law about playing a ball from a knock on by your own player.
Remarkably similar to last time but he didn't "make a deal" and cost us a match and series. Obviously has his betting account being watched now.
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@dmx said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Wasn’t that Poirot?
It was Garces from the sideline that told Poite to change it to a scrum.
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@98blueandgold I'm pretty sure Williams' job isn't to turn over the ball every second touch.
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I would blame autocorrect but that was me!
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My concern with sbw , he seems to be out of sync with the rest of the backline lately ,
Initially it was his X factor in attack which was his strength , more recently , he resembles a forward standing in the backline
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Marx was outstanding, but reckon as usual Marshall prone to hyperbole claiming it was the most complete performance ever.
Great to see a solid Bok team!
Red card was a joke, yellow yes, although at that point in game effectively the same thing, except he now has a Visit to the judiciary.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Marx was outstanding, but reckon as usual Marshall prone to hyperbole claiming it was the most complete performance ever.
Great to see a solid Bok team!
Red card was a joke, yellow yes, although at that point in game effectively the same thing, except he now has a Visit to the judiciary.
Contact with head meant it had to be red.
As for Marx a lot of his 'moments' at the breakdown were only good because he had the support of the ref. His running etc was great but in another game he would have been pinged off the park -
@crucial doesnt always happen though does it, however that rule is supposed to be ruled.
Same as lifting tackles, they looks at the resultant potential injury (or lack of) on the landing as a factor in determining the colour of the card, regardless of how bad the lift was.
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@justanotherfan said in Springboks v All Blacks:
This game will be remembered for the TMO decision and red card. It went on for extra 10 mins in one half. Bok fans said if we win by 1 point it is a win. If we lose by 1 point it is a still a fucking loss. What a turnaround from their worst loss in history. Overall I am proud enough to say a great passionate game of rugby. Boks could have won if they had started with some other 1st choice players.
And the ABs could have won by more with Moody, Frank's, Retallick, Smith and full 80 Barrett and Skudder.
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@crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@stargazer said in Springboks v All Blacks:
BB is having a good game thus far; try Crotty?
I think BB is terrible. He is shoveling on an passing to no one
What an absurd comment. I hope you were drunk when you wrote it.
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If I was a SA I'd be gutted. They really played well today, their pack and defence was outstanding. Best game I've ever seen from Etzbeth, and Marx was outstanding.
For NZ, Havili has taken to test rugby like a duck to water, and that was another decent game from DMac. Gutted for NMS, guy has had no luck with injuries.
For a while there, I thought we had run out of ideas. It was asking for TJP to change things up but TKB was actually pretty decent when he came on.
Harsh red.
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About fucking time!!!! What a fabulous test match. South Africa were awesome and at their best.
I know the hooker played well but that Elizabeth is probably the best lock in the world equal with Brodie and Whitelock.
Still buzzing. Glad I got up as I didn’t intend to
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@hooroo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
About fucking time!!!! What a fabulous test match. South Africa were awesome and at their best.
I know the hooker played well but that Elizabeth is probably the best lock in the world equal with Brodie and Whitelock.
Still buzzing. Glad I got up as I didn’t intend to
damn that auto-correct aye
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@toddy said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Sh*t grubber from Sops. Hands over possession when we were building pressure.
Grubbers should be made illegal. Fucking backs.
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@chris-b said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Jeez - no way red. Not that it makes a difference with five minutes left.
Red or yellow no difference with less than 10 on the clock.
Harsh? Not really. The guy stopped, re-set, aimed at Sopoaga, raised his elbow and connected with the neck and jaw.
It was:
- late
- high
- intentional
- with force
Pretty much left Garces with no choice regarless that Sopoaga wasn't maimed.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Springboks v All Blacks:
du Toit huge at 7. Kind of dwarfed Cane.
Given one was playing blindside and the other open it's a tough comparison...
...Saffas play 6 and 7 opposite to normal countries.
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In spite of the lineout debacle last time, I thought Karl Marx was pretty damn impressive. Showed it tonight. Boks pack in general was very good. Incredible defence and commitment.
Thought ABs should have been up by more at the half. 2 bombed tries and other fark ups in attack (cough cough SBW) gave SA a sniff. Drop off from Lima to BB is pretty huge. I rate him but just isn't anywhere near the same kind of threat. Bit ironic that Dmac and Lima missed a kick each (albeit difficult ones). Havili is a keeper. Just the kind of player this team needs.
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@crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@stargazer said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Wow, red! A bit harsh?
Late unnecessary contact made it a penalty.. using the elbow made it a yellow...making contact with the neck/head made it red. Left the ref no choice.
Hear hear
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Took too long for Garces to cotton on to Dreyer.
Dropped the first scrum then angled in all afternoon.
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@bones must have been watching different game!! Haha just watched replay, he made one big handling error in first half and that was it. Two/three turnovers where cleaners ineffective which happened a lot today. Reckon he was almost best on park 😊
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@justanotherfan said in Springboks v All Blacks:
This game will be remembered for the TMO decision and red card. It went on for extra 10 mins in one half. Bok fans said if we win by 1 point it is a win. If we lose by 1 point it is a still a fucking loss. What a turnaround from their worst loss in history. Overall I am proud enough to say a great passionate game of rugby. Boks could have won if they had started with some other 1st choice players.
Card schmard.
Yellow or red at that time makes no difference.
Surely the Saffa ire , or anyone's, should be that De Allende turned a missed droppie into a penalty in front of the posts. 8 point lead with 3 mins to go in a match they lost by 1!
I repeat card schmard, what a dumb play!
Personally I think it was yellow, for what it's worth, as I think he collected shoulder rather than neck/chin. But he took 2 steps after landing from his attempted charge down to line that up (with a leading elbow), what an idiot.
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Marx obviously was immense, man of the match.
But Etzebeth also very impressive, I've tended to think he's the most over rated player in test footy at the moment, but today he was immense on the carry.
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2/3rds through the game with nz having 2 tries and Saffa 1 - it occurred to me that NZs 2 tries were very old school. Both scrappy opportunities from opposition mistakes. While the Saffa try was very, very modern. Plonking it down it front of the metre wide goal pads (dumbest law in rugby, imagine a RWC final getting decided that way one day, will be humiliating for the sport)
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After nz went 8 up with 2 mins to go my attention drifted and I started looking at my phone, then I look up and we have a defensive lineout metres from our line. So I rewind to see who gave away the penalty for us to be there, phantom penalty. No idea what it was for or who gave it away. I saw nothing and Garces didn't signal advantage?
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I could see Havili becoming that second fullback role at 14 in the test side (even though I know he's a midfielder/fullback)
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Judging by the lack of reaction on here, I take it most (nz fans) didnt have an issue with the Crotty try?
I didn't.
For me that just an example of TMOs and super, super slow-mo cameras making the game a bit harder than it needs to be.
But after that my heart skipped a beat for both Ioane & DMac's tries with the way they grounded it. Someone take them aside and discuss proper grounding techniques please.
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@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
2/3rds through the game with nz having 2 tries and Saffa 1 - it occurred to me that NZs 2 tries were very old school. Both scrappy opportunities from opposition mistakes. While the Saffa try was very, very modern. Plonking it down it front of the metre wide goal pads (dumbest law in rugby, imagine a RWC final getting decided that way one day, will be humiliating for the sport)
No it won't
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@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Judging by the lack of reaction on here, I take it most (nz fans) didnt have an issue with the Crotty try?
I didn't.
For me that just an example of TMOs and super, super slow-mo cameras making the game a bit harder than it needs to be.
But after that my heart skipped a beat for both Ioane & DMac's tries with the way they grounded it. Someone take them aside and discuss proper grounding techniques please.
Agreeing fully here.
Crotty's was worth a look. But imo he got downward pressure from his forearm. IIRC "control" isn't necessary when forcing a loose ball.
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@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Judging by the lack of reaction on here, I take it most (nz fans) didnt have an issue with the Crotty try?
I didn't.
For me that just an example of TMOs and super, super slow-mo cameras making the game a bit harder than it needs to be.
But after that my heart skipped a beat for both Ioane & DMac's tries with the way they grounded it. Someone take them aside and discuss proper grounding techniques please.
Agreeing fully here.
Crotty's was worth a look. But imo he got downward pressure from his forearm. IIRC "control" isn't necessary when forcing a loose ball.
And further @Rapido those placings for the 2nd & 3rd introduced an unnecessary element of risk. (If you wanted to you might find a wee bobble in Ioane's ... )
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