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    @Nepia I agree hes playing well and TBH theres no other NZ 6 convincingly pushing him for his test jersey however, my opinion is that 2019 feels likely to be a bridge too far and he won't have the same impact that we require of him - go out with a bang in the RC.
    And yes I think Tana should've played on - have to wonder if he feels that was the right decision in hindsight.

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    @Rembrandt I base my case on DMac considering 9 on the following:
    Hes been shown up as too small for international rugby against the tough sides. In the physical stakes Jordie has passed him.
    Hes coming from a long way back in the 10 stakes, Beaudy, Sopoaga, Mouanga and then possibly Black, Jordie and this years U20 first-five, even Bryn Gatland all on a par or ahead.
    Didn't they consider him as a 9 replacement on one of the EOYT games last year?
    Nothing to do with size, but then his size does relate to elusive running, capable passing, another kicking option.

    I just think if he wants to have AB potential into the future, then the versatility of a 9/10 on the bench brings an interesting mix to proceedings - we could have a 6/2 bench split for example if circumstance dictates it.

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    @westcoastie BBBT was 37 at the 2011 RWC, so I wouldn't write off Kaino just yet.

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    @westcoastie Good points. I see an issue however where he seems to be a player who thrives on space, at 10 he has less and he has been found out, halfback would be even worse and lacking a physicality could run the risk of being regularly monstered. I can kind of see a natural 9 moving into 10 but for some reason not a 10 moving into 9. Anyone know of any examples where this has been a success?

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    @Rembrandt depends what you consider Weepu. And half of France's 9/10's.

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    Matt Giteau!!!

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    This reminds me of when Orene Ai'i moved to 9 in an NPC season. Seemed like a good idea in theory. Didn't work.

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    I wonder if our RC opponents have been taking notes the last 3 weeks?

    We struggled with the Lions' game plan. Their unadventurous play (not meant as an insult) didn't provide much in the way of turnover ball to attack with. Their kick chase didn't give us broken field opportunities, and their rush defense didn't allow us to get around them. We really struggled to create points. Yes, we made ground through the middle, but it was hard work, and not likely to result in a lot of tries. They also disrupted our usually rock solid lineout (you can argue the merits of the how, but it worked).

    The Africans appear to be trying to open up their game, while the Aussies don't have the type of player to pull it off. That seems to point to a style of game we are much happier playing.

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    @mariner4life the Lions play requires alot of disipline as well, which we saw them struggle in test #2 v 14 when they were getting pinged, not sure the Saffas or Aussies can maintain that for the sustained periods as the Lions did for the most part (even if they shoulda been punished more)

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    @akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
    BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
    But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...

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    @Rembrandt Weepu, Giteau, Preston.

    For comparison.
    Aaron Smith 1.71m, 83kg
    TJ Perenara 1.84m, 94kg
    Tawera Kerr-Barlow 1.87m, 89kg
    Brad Weber 1.72m, 75kg
    Damian MacKenzie 1.77m, 78kg
    Jon Preston 1.76m, 77kg

    I'm just suggesting hes on the peripheral unless a. injuries b. try a different position.
    He'd also be elusive close in & near the ruck.

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    @westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    @Rembrandt I base my case on DMac considering 9 on the following:
    Hes been shown up as too small for international rugby against the tough sides. In the physical stakes Jordie has passed him.
    Hes coming from a long way back in the 10 stakes, Beaudy, Sopoaga, Mouanga and then possibly Black, Jordie and this years U20 first-five, even Bryn Gatland all on a par or ahead.
    Didn't they consider him as a 9 replacement on one of the EOYT games last year?
    Nothing to do with size, but then his size does relate to elusive running, capable passing, another kicking option.

    I just think if he wants to have AB potential into the future, then the versatility of a 9/10 on the bench brings an interesting mix to proceedings - we could have a 6/2 bench split for example if circumstance dictates it.

    I've always thought DMac plays his best rugby from FB where he can orchestrate proceedings. He thrives with runners coming off him, and still tends to have that individualistic flair which doesn't always suit a 10. As he is so nippy HB for the ABs would be an interesting prospect = and certainly Versatility with a capital V as we have seen v the Lions has been desperately sought. I think that is what may keep Shag and co interested in him.

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    @westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    @akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
    BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
    But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...

    JK never played ORIGIN. NRL is a lot more high tempo than Rugby imo, and it's just as abrasive. Look at all the shoulder charges that used to be legal.
    BBBT's fitness was right up there with the best of them, and his time with the Broncos/Qld contributed to that.

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    @mimic JK also had two years in Japan playing a much less physical brand of rugby. His body and mind had a good break during that period and that will undoubtedly help him prolong his career.

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    @westcoastie from what I read, Collins fall was more around losing that 1/4 final which took its toll on him mentally, it hit him so hard, whereas Rodders was run into the ground and then made to keep going by Cooper, so no wonder the guy fell off a cliff like he did.

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    @mimic said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    @westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    @akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
    BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
    But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...

    JK never played ORIGIN. NRL is a lot more high tempo than Rugby imo, and it's just as abrasive. Look at all the shoulder charges that used to be legal.
    BBBT's fitness was right up there with the best of them, and his time with the Broncos/Qld contributed to that.

    Is this gonna be a 'fucken orjin is the toughest fucken game on fucken earth maaaaaattttteeeee' type post?

    You're better than that mimic.

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    @MN5 said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    @mimic said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    @westcoastie said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    @akan004 BBBT also hadn't played interational rugby in the rough & tough abrasive nature JK has since 2006. 12 seasons worth by 2019 (subtracted one for the time off in Japan)
    BBBT also wasn't first choice for a lot of that. Yes he played NRL, but not quite the same high-tempo stuff is it?
    But BBBT may prove to be the exception rather than the rule - equally I could point out the quick drop-off for Rodney and Jerry...

    JK never played ORIGIN. NRL is a lot more high tempo than Rugby imo, and it's just as abrasive. Look at all the shoulder charges that used to be legal.
    BBBT's fitness was right up there with the best of them, and his time with the Broncos/Qld contributed to that.

    Is this gonna be a 'fucken orjin is the toughest fucken game on fucken earth maaaaaattttteeeee' type post?

    You're better than that mimic.

    JK would have eaten those origin forwards alive - finish with the rugby version of the bold ;).

    On DMac - he's bigger than Cruden who managed to survive 50 tests for the ABs. I reckon his weight is going to start hitting the mid to late 80kgs soon anyway.

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    @Nepia said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    On DMac - he's bigger than Cruden who managed to survive 50 tests for the ABs

    ... but after a few tests held together with string and bandages. FFS, Cruden looks like a walking advertisement for voltaren, and his form has dropped off over time. Not an advertisement for the longevity of small men at the top level

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    I see Aura has all gone and poked off again, dammit!!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/94719136/peter-fitzsimons-lions-shatter-all-blacks-aura-of-invicibility

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    @Hooroo said in How are the ABs tracking for the RC?:

    I see Aura has all gone and poked off again, dammit!!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/94719136/peter-fitzsimons-lions-shatter-all-blacks-aura-of-invicibility

    At least Pete's keeping her alive!

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