All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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We will never know, but I wonder whether he would have made the same call if the situation was in reverse and it was an AB who played at the ball with the Lions on attack? A hell of a lot of power is held by the Lions unions and being human, the possible fallout may have crossed his mind. Fcuk, I'm sounding like a South African!
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@Crazy-Horse I expect it was more like he thought, sweet, I can now change my decision that is likely to determine the outcome of this game, AND now it was someone elses decision! Boomfa!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Do they record the chat between Ref and the ARs, given the alleged call to change was made in FRench from Garces to Poite, surely that in itself needs dealing with, because it is essentially removing the other AR and the TMO from the process.
This x 100. I want to know what Garces said to Poite after he got agreement on knockon, fair contest and penalty kick from TMO. And if nothing else, Poite should play poker more often because his face expression doesn't change in anyway or make any comment as Garces talks to him. And both captains are expecting him to confirm penalty.
I think it was completely ballsy to then announce the exact opposite of what everyone was expecting. The easy option was to say - fair contest, penalty kick. I reckon both captains would have walked away.
I'll guess that Garces said something like:
"Romain, mon petit chou-fleur. Remember ze Aus Scot game and the fuck it up. Listen to me carefully. Ze ball hit ze Red 16 on ze shoulder first. He didn't play it first with ze hand. It was not deliberate. It was ze Offside by ze Accident. So it is just scrum Black.
Don't worry, you won't have to running from the pitch apres, Jaco will look after you, I think he likes you. Keep ze faith, mon ami. Ok have to go now, Reidy and the Sammy baby are looking at you strange - focus, focus. When I click my fingers, you will not remember talking to me but you will not forget Accidental Offside. Adieu." -
Garces and Poite must have turned off their mics because I heard nothing on the Sports Ears after "Oui, Jerome".
I mentioned earlier that they had at least 2 conversations in French during the game, which meant Peyper and Ayoub probably didn't know what was being said.
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@Bovidae they were not standing next to one another for that final call, so must be some kind of mic for them to communicate, so surely they should be recorded for training purposes...
Maybe they have an 'open mic' line for the sports ears and a closed one that is only heard by the officials?
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wonder if he is gutted about that decision by Poite
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11889490
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@taniwharugby Hmm, I wonder if his name was Garces?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby Hmm, I wonder if his name was Garces?
$19K may not get you a top of the range rolex, but it will get you a nice Tag or Cartier....
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby Hmm, I wonder if his name was Garces?
Nah. It was Gupta
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@profitius said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow Davies was immense on attack and defence and played every minute of the series. So glad he was names man of series ahead of the wankstain that is Itoje.
Don't get the love for him in the NH press and amongst Lions fans. He reminds me of Frank Bruno. Superb physical athlete just a shame he doesn't know how to play the game. I'm undoubtedly over-reacting but he strikes me as a bit meh and would add nothing to the AB's. Gladly have Davies in midfield though.
He's getting incredible hype in the NH. Just the other day there was silly talk about him being the first million pound player in the world. Why would someone say that other than to purposely hype him up?! Knowing the media its probably another case of reverse racism. Not Itoje's fault.
I thought Henderson should have gotten a game at least as a sub.
What could Henderson have offered that Farrell, Davies and Te'o couldn't?
Nothing IMHO.
What may have made a difference was a different type of player like Tipuric, or has been mentioned Billy Vunipola or Johnnie May.
Although it would have been great to see Hogg and North fully fit and firing.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@profitius said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow Davies was immense on attack and defence and played every minute of the series. So glad he was names man of series ahead of the wankstain that is Itoje.
Don't get the love for him in the NH press and amongst Lions fans. He reminds me of Frank Bruno. Superb physical athlete just a shame he doesn't know how to play the game. I'm undoubtedly over-reacting but he strikes me as a bit meh and would add nothing to the AB's. Gladly have Davies in midfield though.
He's getting incredible hype in the NH. Just the other day there was silly talk about him being the first million pound player in the world. Why would someone say that other than to purposely hype him up?! Knowing the media its probably another case of reverse racism. Not Itoje's fault.
I thought Henderson should have gotten a game at least as a sub.
What could Henderson have offered that Farrell, Davies and Te'o couldn't?
Nothing IMHO.
I can't tell if you're being serious here discussing backs? Henderson the lock ....
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@profitius said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow Davies was immense on attack and defence and played every minute of the series. So glad he was names man of series ahead of the wankstain that is Itoje.
Don't get the love for him in the NH press and amongst Lions fans. He reminds me of Frank Bruno. Superb physical athlete just a shame he doesn't know how to play the game. I'm undoubtedly over-reacting but he strikes me as a bit meh and would add nothing to the AB's. Gladly have Davies in midfield though.
He's getting incredible hype in the NH. Just the other day there was silly talk about him being the first million pound player in the world. Why would someone say that other than to purposely hype him up?! Knowing the media its probably another case of reverse racism. Not Itoje's fault.
I thought Henderson should have gotten a game at least as a sub.
What could Henderson have offered that Farrell, Davies and Te'o couldn't?
Nothing IMHO.
I can't tell if you're being serious here discussing backs? Henderson the lock ....
Doh. Crap night's sleep. 😳
Yes Henderson should have had a run. Henshaw no
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
wonder if he is gutted about that decision by Poite
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11889490
He certainly wasn't gutted but the bookies didn't mind paying out to him because they really cleaned up after that draw.
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Latest theory doing the rounds was that Read was in front of Barrett at the kick off and therefore offside. This has been backed up by a video with Read not in shot!
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@Catogrande yeah someone added that to the messenger group for my club. To which my response was.
And by the way, congratulations to the lions for the series win.
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@Bones Thanks
Edit: Bugger. The sarky comment I left earlier got lost. I meant to say Thanks. Mutter under breath, condescending bastard.
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Latest theory doing the rounds was that Read was in front of Barrett at the kick off and therefore offside. This has been backed up by a video with Read not in shot!
In years gone past refs were hot on players in front of the kicker at restarts, but go and watch pretty much any game these days and there is someone just in front of the kicker, is all trying to get that little advantages and pushing the ref.
Similarly, hookers feet on the line when throwing in, something refs used to police, but do not any longer (didn't this deny Fox a try too)
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Latest theory doing the rounds was that Read was in front of Barrett at the kick off and therefore offside. This has been backed up by a video with Read not in shot!
In years gone past refs were hot on players in front of the kicker at restarts, but go and watch pretty much any game these days and there is someone just in front of the kicker, is all trying to get that little advantages and pushing the ref.
Similarly, hookers feet on the line when throwing in, something refs used to police, but do not any longer (didn't this deny Fox a try too)
Welcome to the old moaning farts club. There's a self-help group near you most days. it's called "The Pub".
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Irrespective of whether Read was in front - that wasn't what the officials looked at / for. Recidivist poring over video doesn't alter the fact that the two Frogs were wrong in what they did.
We all know that if we want to review everything ad nauseum almost every play will be blown up because generally somewhere someone is infringing in some way.
We already have a stop start bastardised super slo mo version of the game in North America. We don't need to replicate the worst aspects of that game in rugby. Unfortunately there is a growing trend to do just that.
Boo can add refs who review every try - just because. Gutless little pricks
