All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I'm speechless anyone could think SBW was clumsy and that was accidental. You guys watching on a 2 inch screen in old school SD?
So you think he deliberately targeted the head with his shoulder?
I don't believe he did , but I do think he was trying to be aggressive and there wasn't enough thought going into it, it's like the driver going through a red light because he isn't concentrating enough , you have to be a lot smarter than that .
I don't disagree with that. It looked to me like a split second decision to go in and help Naholo out but had incredibly high risk given the angle he was coming in and the lack of chance to get two arms in there. He fucked up for sure but I really don't think he deliberately aimed a shoulder at the head. He aimed a shoulder into the players to make an impact but the risk of contacting head was too high and happened.
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@booboo I think it was dumb because of the situation with another tackler already involved, sure the shoulder was accidental, but given the situation he only needed to wrap it up, no big hit required, whereas Vunipola needn't have even touched BB at all
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Oh and what's the go with this Sinckler cnut? Is he the tour tough guy? Twice last night he had his own players rush to pull him away from a scuffle, and now allegedly an incident in the tunnel involving him and surprise surprise, TJP, which started by Sinckler refusing to walk through the tunnel of players after the game
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
This is a very special side. I can't think of another international side who could have competed against this BIL side with a man down for so long. And almost win it.
It was an immense bloody-minded effort, but the 2nd-half first-20 minute penalty-deluge was what let NZ stay in the game - a coherent national side like England or Ireland would not have allowed that to happen.
.. sending off. In real time I thought it was a yellow. On reflection red was the correct call.
Real-time, the main side-view camera meant it was hard to see.
All other angles made it so clear that it is hard to believe a few people query it.Doing something so dumb is normally only seen from an over-eager novice
or someone on 70 minutes whose brain is oxygen-starved after 5 minutes of non-stop play.SBW deserves the full criticism for this specific action.
It seems like some people are using it to unload a back-log of criticism.Wellington police need to be informed that Itoje has appropriated McCaw's Cloak of Invisibility.
Itoje: educated at Harrow - maybe in some of the dark arts of Hogwarts-McCawesome-ball-expelliarmus?
But hopefully Gatland realises that he got out of jail with this result.
Too true.
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as a youngster in league leading with the shoulder was his trademark tackle , it was legal then and no one did it better, apparently he did it through his rep juniors.
I still get the impression with him its almost his instinctive technique , and he has to conitually fight that urge .
He fucked up for sure , and deserves the criticism -
@taniwharugby the guys a prize bell end and yes he does think he's a real tough guy
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Oh and what's the go with this Sinckler cnut? Is he the tour tough guy? Twice last night he had his own players rush to pull him away from a scuffle, and now allegedly an incident in the tunnel involving him and surprise surprise, TJP, which started by Sinckler refusing to walk through the tunnel of players after the game
Perenara should suck it up and stop acting like a crying bitch
We lost and need to be humble about it
Seen plenty of yahooing and pats on the head from him when the Hurricanes win or get a call their way.
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Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
Sure. Workrate when the play does go his way would be nice.
We might well get to see him attempt it in the third test.
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@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
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@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
There's a citing process. If you guys are all correct, then we will see more than SBW in front of the judiciary. If we don't, then maybe time to reconsider your stance?
If we're talking about the ref, Farrell was taken late, and the penalty in the first half for Vunipola apparently not supporting his body weight was an incredibly harsh call.
And I don't think Sinckler jumped into the tackle, he jumped to catch the ball, and Faumuina had pre-anticipated his tackle. It was a harsh enough penalty, but if the shoe had been on the other foot, I would have taken it.
I think Ayoub was trying to suggest red card to Garces for the Vunipola challenge, but the way they communicate is so oblique always require deciphering, especially the Frenchies for whom English is not their first language.
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@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
Intent doesn't come into it (to start with). You are expected to take care that your actions don't contact the head in a dangerous manner.
Swinging an arm in as an arriving tackle assist is lack of care.
IIRC the contact was on the jaw like a KO in fighting. -
Nothing like a loss to bring some life into the forum ,
I get the impression its going to be a long week
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
Yes I was certainly wishing we had Savea at that stage. Remember the RWC final when Smith got a yellow Savea was right in there looking for work.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!
... with a superb pass and an amazing knack of tap-tackling.
This one
seems Yoda-like because Luger seemed way past him.Going a bit deeper, he had a challenging time as a youngster with discussions about having growth hormone to make him bigger - long interview (1 hour)
On a lighter note, Ireland lock Mick Galway says when he was recalled to the side in 2000 (despite some selectors thinking he was too small for a lock) he stood between youngsters O'Gara and Stringer to make himself look bigger to the committee men in the stand!
better than many others!
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@Megweya for me, epitomised how whiny the IRish players were at the time, really disliked Ireland at the time, regardless how good of a player he was.
