'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach
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About rugby supporters, a few people are arrogant because that is their personality and there are knobs in every country. Unfortunately, when you have a theory you look for evidence to support what you think. Call it motivated reasoning, cognitive dissonance, whatever, you can always find evidence that reinforces your thinking and block out the rest of the evidence to the contrary. Most rugby supporters are bloody nice people. You only remember the knobs when calling out theories.
The media...well....I don't know what to say....let's just enjoy the stupidity in the build up to Saturdays game! -
I'd like to think that the vast majority of Welsh, Irish and Scottish supporters understand that beating NZ is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Of the Home Nations, England have gone best against NZ and they genuinely feel that they can beat NZ when they face them. They don't beat NZ often. Does that make the English arrogant?
NZ are so far ahead of the pack that the expectation is that 9 times out of 10 they will win.
If an NZ supporter expresses that, it doesn't make them arrogant in my eyes.
Show offs maybe
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Kiwi rugby supporters ARE arrogant, no denying it. A century of results (mostly winning) leads to certain expectations. And generational accusations by opponent supporters about All Black "thuggery" and "dark arts" and only being the best "between World Cups" and "raping/pillaging/poaching" the islands and "haka advantages" and "Richie is a cheat" only galvanizes the supporter base into righteous indignation and even MORE arrogance. Oh well sucks to be us I suppose.
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@Catogrande said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
@Catogrande said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
Hmmm. We have very high expectations and every loss is like a knife to the heart. The very thought of not being best hurts like hell. I don't know if that is arrogance or just a pathological fear of being 2nd best.
That certainly seems to equate with rugby but conversely you all appear to cope with not being No1 in say cricket. I really think it is a lot to do with the place rugby has in NZ.
Well we are talking about rugby here aren't we
Ah! That makes sense now. You lot are only arrogant in relation to rugby. Thank God, this means us Poms are still the most arrogant. Glad that's cleared up.
Good call.
New Zealand completely arrogant about rugby.
England completely arrogant about everything else.Everyone else just whingers and moaners who don't know how to play tiddlywinks or man up.
Glad that issue is cleared up.
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I get the whole "holding the team to a higher standard" thing, but that doesn't necessarily need to translate into being stinting in praise of others, even if their efforts are relatively uninspiring by comparison. For instance, when my kids were little, their Lego efforts were crap compared to mine, but I praised them enough to keep them trying. My wife can't serve for shit, but I tell her that a fair proportion of the double faults are unlucky (or maybe even "in", if I'm on a promise). If you're just going to tell the unadorned truth all the time you might as well be Dutch. And celibate.
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There is some serious collective wisdom on this thread.
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@Disgusted-of-TW said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
I get the whole "holding the team to a higher standard" thing, but that doesn't necessarily need to translate into being stinting in praise of others, even if their efforts are relatively uninspiring by comparison. For instance, when my kids were little, their Lego efforts were crap compared to mine, but I praised them enough to keep them trying. My wife can't serve for shit, but I tell her that a fair proportion of the double faults are unlucky (or maybe even "in", if I'm on a promise). If you're just going to tell the unadorned truth all the time you might as well be Dutch. And celibate.
Yeah - I had that problem with my boyfriend not being good at serving.
I stopped telling him after I got baked beans for breakfast three times in a row....
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Aw man, we have already had a thread about our arrogance on tour, do we have to keep talking about it, I'd rather it was just seen as something we knew but don't talk about
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@Pot-Hale Cold shoulder and a warm wind to follow
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Actually if Aura has gone walkabout at least Harry Gant can step up.
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There was quite a lot of "the Lion's aren't going to win again on tour" chatter after the Blues match.
That isn't holding ourselves to a higher standard or passion for the game.
It's arrogant. It's condescending and it's also bullshit.
The British press talks a lot about every NZer being an expert on rugby and every granny being able to talk authoritatively about the workings of the front row. Which is as much crap about the "it's like Britain in the 50's" twaddle.
Rugby is our national sport so yeah its more popularly followed than in Britain (or pretty much anywhere else), but this forum can make you forget how little the average Kiwi actually knows about the game. Even here there are many (myself included) who confess we don't follow rugby as closely as we once did.
Couple the above with serious lashings of hubris and inferiority complex and yeah arrogant seems fairly accurate.
and BTW if everyone was fit I wouldn't have a tourist in my starting AB side either
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@dogmeat said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
and BTW if everyone was fit I wouldn't have a tourist in my starting AB side either
I'd squeeze in one of their pack somewhere as a specialist lineout shouter. Not sure which one, certainly not Itoje over our starting locks.
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The accusation was that NZ fans are arrogant. As a blanket claim it's bullshit. Of course there are some piston wristed gibbons. Just like in any nation.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
The accusation was that NZ fans are arrogant. As a blanket claim it's bullshit. Of course there are some piston wristed gibbons. Just like in any nation.
It might be easier if you just name the few who aren't - we can keep a look-out for them.....
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@Pot-Hale said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
The accusation was that NZ fans are arrogant. As a blanket claim it's bullshit. Of course there are some piston wristed gibbons. Just like in any nation.
It might be easier if you just name the few who aren't - we can keep a look-out for them.....
If you point out the 2 Irishmen who aren't drunks and addicted to potatoes.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Are you including plastics in the search? If so, I can take or leave potatoes, if that helps?
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I'll give the Lions something. They are much better than us at living offside; shouting autistically at lineout time; and aimlessly running in to people a lot.
They're good for fuck all else though. I mean, it's a team full of Welsh. Come on.
Hanson's prematch speech this week should just be paraphrasing the famous Sir Alex Ferguson's "lads, it's Tottenham"
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@Pot-Hale said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in 'NZ fans are arrogant' is fast becoming the new poach:
The accusation was that NZ fans are arrogant. As a blanket claim it's bullshit. Of course there are some piston wristed gibbons. Just like in any nation.
It might be easier if you just name the few who aren't - we can keep a look-out for them.....
Jesus , pass the burn cream .
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@Margin_Walker Probably not I was in a shity mood yesterday and a couple of things back the camels back. So I had a rant. 10 minute rule will be in affect on Saturday morning. The wife is English so 10 minute rule means you only have 10 minutes after the game to gloat or moan about the result the its STFU.
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@Salacious-Crumb Does expecting a win make us arrogant. That would make all rugby supports arrogant as no supporter goes to a game and expect to lose. In their heart of hearts they expect there team to win, otherwise why support them. Winning is the enjoyment.
