Crusaders vs B&I Lions
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@Bovidae said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Gifford is reinforcing the stereotype about KIwis always blaming the ref for defeats.
He certainly is. I think it's a bit pathetic myself - yes the ref was a bit clueless at the scrum, and the offside lined seemed a bit optional at times, but twasn't the ref that cost the Crusaders the match.
TBH (hindsight is a great thing), we all should have foreseen this result - the Lions were always going to match the Crusaders pack, and if you do that you're talking about Bryn Hall vs Conor Murray, Owen Farrell vs Richie Mounga (which Lions fan told me Farrell is not a cert for the test side...), and a Crusaders backline with only one current AB.
In hindsight again, Bateman should have been at 12, with Dagg on the wing, Havili at FB, and Bridge in the stands.
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@Billy-Tell yeah hindsight is a wonderful thing , but yeah thats it in a nutshell , didnt get the forward domination they are used to at super rugby level , and the backline fielded , collectively lacked threats
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Ref was very poor, missed a lot both ways, but as we ought to have learnt from the past, take the refs inability to ref properly out by adapting, something McCaw was a master at
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@Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@Bovidae said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Gifford is reinforcing the stereotype about KIwis always blaming the ref for defeats.
He certainly is. I think it's a bit pathetic myself - yes the ref was a bit clueless at the scrum, and the offside lined seemed a bit optional at times, but twasn't the ref that cost the Crusaders the match.
And now Gregor Paul in the Herald is trying to blame the ref for the game, without quite saying he caused the Crusaders to lose.
I think the big issue is many Kiwis, and most Crusader fans, were pretty much sure the all-conquering Crusaders would have no trouble blowing away a weak Lions side.
And when their arrogance was punctured, they didn't like it. Someone had to be to blame -- and that left the ref as the only option.
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Still feeling flat about that game. Pre tour I figured that was the best chance of a win outside of the AB's/NZM. After the Blues game I was looking forward to seeing a Super Rugby side cut loose.
At the risk of being a 'hater crawling out of the woodwork', that still feels bloody disappointing from the Crusaders... and it looked like Sam Whitelock felt similarly in his post match interview.
If there's any plus side, several All Blacks have had any possible slight hint of complacency for the Test series beaten out of them...
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Okay, my 2 cents. I haven't read most of the comments, because to my great surprise (well, not really), all these Ferners who have always expressed their dislike towards the Crusaders (remember the hatiest team thread?) suddenly come out of the woodworks to dish the Crusaders and individual players. The frustration about the Crusaders being unbeaten this Super Rugby season must be huge. And the frustration with some of their players not being selected in the AB squad. Really pathetic.
What a fucking bell-end of a comment.
Eeeiiits a persecution, I swear boss
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@Chester-Draws said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@Bovidae said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Gifford is reinforcing the stereotype about KIwis always blaming the ref for defeats.
He certainly is. I think it's a bit pathetic myself - yes the ref was a bit clueless at the scrum, and the offside lined seemed a bit optional at times, but twasn't the ref that cost the Crusaders the match.
And now Gregor Paul in the Herald is trying to blame the ref for the game, without quite saying he caused the Crusaders to lose.
I think the big issue is many Kiwis, and most Crusader fans, were pretty much sure the all-conquering Crusaders would have no trouble blowing away a weak Lions side.
And when their arrogance was punctured, they didn't like it. Someone had to be to blame -- and that left the ref as the only option.
If the Blues play like that they get criticised and laughed at from all corners (and rightly so) and no-one would make a mention of the ref. Without trying to sound like a whinger, the Crusaders seem to be getting a free ride from the media here where they can't seem to admit that they just had a bad night at the office and that the Lions were far better than them.
Not trying to sound like a 'hater coming out of the woodwork', just a bit of consistency from these media clowns would be nice.
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Ref was fine.
2 very strange scrum penalties aside.
2 bad calls in a game is nothing.
There are probably some the other way I didn't notice.
I'm not talking 50/50 quibbling here.
First 20 to 30 minutes. Poor little babies need a constant verbal feed telling them when to stop cheating. Instead of erring on the side of not cheating at all because he's giving you no clues.
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Can't believe I'm going to say this BUT ....
Game needed more chip kicks. Lions were so flat all night and the saders never adjusted ... only with 2 mins to go did they try something different. Should have tried a few to make them adjust their defensive line in order to create gaps.
Lions had a basic game plan and executed it perfectly. Well played.
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@African-Monkey you sound like a whinger.
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@Bones said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@African-Monkey you sound like a whinger.
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@MiketheSnow said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Great turnover, but Crusaders living offside
That's not how you spell Lions
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@No-Quarter said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Interesting tactic for the Lions two received kick-offs has been to set up a jumper and lifter in front of where the ball is going to land, and have a player take it behind. Unless they've just badly misjudged both kick-offs.
That surely is obstruction.
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@Mattasaurus said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@gt12 said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
I'm super happy if that gets called both ways.
If.....
Frogs not known for consistency in refereeingThis
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@Donsteppa said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Fucking hell Crusaders. Pass up three gift points. Give up a midfield scrum with great options both ways. Then completely fuck up the lineout. You're not playing the Sunwolves FFS.
Dumb
Not something you say about the Saders often
Take. The. Points.
