Crusaders vs B&I Lions
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@Chester-Draws said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@Bovidae said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Gifford is reinforcing the stereotype about KIwis always blaming the ref for defeats.
He certainly is. I think it's a bit pathetic myself - yes the ref was a bit clueless at the scrum, and the offside lined seemed a bit optional at times, but twasn't the ref that cost the Crusaders the match.
And now Gregor Paul in the Herald is trying to blame the ref for the game, without quite saying he caused the Crusaders to lose.
I think the big issue is many Kiwis, and most Crusader fans, were pretty much sure the all-conquering Crusaders would have no trouble blowing away a weak Lions side.
And when their arrogance was punctured, they didn't like it. Someone had to be to blame -- and that left the ref as the only option.
If the Blues play like that they get criticised and laughed at from all corners (and rightly so) and no-one would make a mention of the ref. Without trying to sound like a whinger, the Crusaders seem to be getting a free ride from the media here where they can't seem to admit that they just had a bad night at the office and that the Lions were far better than them.
Not trying to sound like a 'hater coming out of the woodwork', just a bit of consistency from these media clowns would be nice.
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Ref was fine.
2 very strange scrum penalties aside.
2 bad calls in a game is nothing.
There are probably some the other way I didn't notice.
I'm not talking 50/50 quibbling here.
First 20 to 30 minutes. Poor little babies need a constant verbal feed telling them when to stop cheating. Instead of erring on the side of not cheating at all because he's giving you no clues.
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Can't believe I'm going to say this BUT ....
Game needed more chip kicks. Lions were so flat all night and the saders never adjusted ... only with 2 mins to go did they try something different. Should have tried a few to make them adjust their defensive line in order to create gaps.
Lions had a basic game plan and executed it perfectly. Well played.
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@African-Monkey you sound like a whinger.
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@Bones said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@African-Monkey you sound like a whinger.
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@MiketheSnow said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Great turnover, but Crusaders living offside
That's not how you spell Lions
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@No-Quarter said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Interesting tactic for the Lions two received kick-offs has been to set up a jumper and lifter in front of where the ball is going to land, and have a player take it behind. Unless they've just badly misjudged both kick-offs.
That surely is obstruction.
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@Mattasaurus said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@gt12 said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
I'm super happy if that gets called both ways.
If.....
Frogs not known for consistency in refereeingThis
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@Donsteppa said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Fucking hell Crusaders. Pass up three gift points. Give up a midfield scrum with great options both ways. Then completely fuck up the lineout. You're not playing the Sunwolves FFS.
Dumb
Not something you say about the Saders often
Take. The. Points.
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@Bones said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Have to say, crusaders have been poor but really hamstrung by Mounga. Having a shitter.
But he outplayed BB and AC ...
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@Rapido said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
I love this refs officiating of the off side line.
What officiating?
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@gt12 said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Lions unlucky there.
Got screwed on the kick.
Dagg with a bad miss though.
Is this regaring the shot at goal that missed?
Found that amusing.
Does anyone seriously think that their perspective from the sideline (I'm looking at you Ian Smith) or watching a TV monitor had a better view of where the ball passed relative to the posts than Angus Gardner who was directly underneath it?
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@booboo said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@Rapido said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
I love this refs officiating of the off side line.
What officiating?
The officiating that eventually moved an NZ Super team onside for the first time in years. The no coaching penalties.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
So, assuming the Lions win this, which I'm now sure they will, what have we learned?
This ref isn't in charge, but Garces and Pointe are.
Well thank goodness for that.
Looks like Peyper then Garces then Poite.
They all have their randomness but less than this bloke.
Who did the Blues have?
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@Rapido TBH cant say I have noticed them being off side more than any other team, and I thought the ref let the Lions away with being in front alot, both on defence and North in front of the kicker...so I guess he was consistent there in allowing both teams?
@booboo you mean like that kick in 2011 that everyone thought missed, but the ARs who were right underneath with the best view for seeing if it goes between.
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@MajorRage It looked like the Lions were off side a lot of the time - the line speed was just a bit too quick and seemed wrong. It was mentioned above that they were in front of the kicker on occasion too. That was my major complaint about the ref (although the blame really rests with the AR's).
It was up to the Crusaders to adapt and yes chipping behind would have been a good remedy. BB being the master of chip and chase will have the Lions thinking a bit more in the tests. -
@kev said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@Duluth said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
@gt12 said in Crusaders vs B&I Lions:
Plus the 9,10, 12 were just out of their depth.
9, 10, 12
You're right. Don't recall seeing the 8 on the field ...
