Exodus 2017
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@MajorRage expect NZR will need to do a full investigation into Hansen's comments, Tew needs to get ahead of this and apologise now!
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@MajorRage said in Exodus 2017:
But seriously, how thin is Lam's skin?
+1. Ex-All Black is probably what Hansen is going for, although ex-New Zealander does get at the loyalty Lam has to the AB set up and jersey and Auckland/Blues set up and jersey (none). Hansen would have had plenty to do with him while he was at the Blues and probably doesn't rate him highly.
He even got a nice dig in about how he was sacked by the NZRU/Blues. Still obviously very bitter.
As for Hansen, I love the guy and I truly do enjoy him pushing the buttons of Jones and Cheika - when his wind ups are limited to those two it's hard to say it reflects on him. They are clowns and easy tragets.
But you have to imagine Gatland is going to cop some withering comments in the following six months, plus he has always enjoyed a pot shot at Deans - at what point is Hansen being a bit of a dick here?
Probably best to step back from the mic for a bit I reckon.
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Good on Steve for finally firing up. His job is to win games for NZ. That job is being made harder by tin-pot, shithouse rugby nations who have large wallets because their long suffering fans will pay money to watch any old rubbish that isn't fucking soccer.
And because the paucity of talent in their own ranks, they are forced to hire NZ coaches (both good and bad) to try and generate some sort of ability in to the competition. And those coaches, when presented with the reality of what they have to work with, immediately turn to what they know will get them the results their contract requires, ie NZ talent. So, armed with sugar-daddy money, or barely deserved TV money, they ring up their mates back home and entice them over with packets of cash with no real caveats re performance. Result! Even better, if you haven't been capped, you'll probably get a test gig for them, even though you couldn't give a fuck about the country.
These Benedict Arnold motherfuckers are deliberately undermining NZ rugby, and should be called out for their shenanigans.
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Crotty and Perenara on the shopping list?
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@Tim I cannot imagine these two players signing with overseas clubs. Crotty (28) is now the ABs incumbent no. 12 and will do anything to get to the 2019 RWC after missing out in 2015; Perenara (25) is clearly the no. 2 halfback chasing for the no. 1 spot.
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@Stargazer said in Exodus 2017:
@Tim I cannot imagine these two players signing with overseas clubs. Crotty (28) is now the ABs incumbent no. 12 and will do anything to get to the 2019 RWC after missing out in 2015; Perenara (25) is clearly the no. 2 halfback chasing for the no. 1 spot.
Yeah, this is one I'm not taking seriously for the moment.
Starting XV ABs are probably some of the least at risk players. Perenara finished the season as No.1 half-back, and Crotty is currently the incumbent 12, I see him sticking around until 2019 (then highly likely to go) and Perenara could start past 2019.
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@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
So Hansen was an ex-NZer too when he coached Wales?
I think he meant ex-AB (but quite possibly did say ex-NZer). Lam certainly has previous when it comes to snagging Kiwis, just look at Connacht.
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@Billy-Tell I was being facetious.
Lam is no different than Cotter was at Clermont etc. I'm not saying I agree with Kiwi coaches luring Kiwi players to Europe, but it's hardly a new concept.
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If it's true what shag has said , there was little communication , I think he is entitled to be pissed .
The subtle dig was interesting, and obviously achieved what it was intended to do , it got under his skin .
if we go right back to 2007 , lam was mentioned by deans as being his assistant if he got the ab job , might be clutching at straws , but might be a little bit of history there of bad blood .
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I have no real issue with players heading overseas, even though it sucks as a fan. They have a limited shelf life and need to do what's best for them. But the way Lam has constantly gone after NZ players, both at Connacht and now Bristol, makes him look like a leech. Hansen is a bit of a dick, has been for a long time, but boo-fuckin-hoo, Lam.
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@Tim said in Exodus 2017:
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
So Hansen was an ex-NZer too when he coached Wales?
And didn't he and Henry lure NZ players over there?
It's suggested on Planet Rugby that Hansen himself didn't actually lure anyone over there during his time as Wales coach. Personally, I can't be arsed looking it up, but . . .
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@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
Good on Steve for finally firing up. His job is to win games for NZ. That job is being made harder by tin-pot, shithouse rugby nations who have large wallets because their long suffering fans will pay money to watch any old rubbish that isn't fucking soccer.
And because the paucity of talent in their own ranks, they are forced to hire NZ coaches (both good and bad) to try and generate some sort of ability in to the competition. And those coaches, when presented with the reality of what they have to work with, immediately turn to what they know will get them the results their contract requires, ie NZ talent. So, armed with sugar-daddy money, or barely deserved TV money, they ring up their mates back home and entice them over with packets of cash with no real caveats re performance. Result! Even better, if you haven't been capped, you'll probably get a test gig for them, even though you couldn't give a fuck about the country.
These Benedict Arnold motherfuckers are deliberately undermining NZ rugby, and should be called out for their shenanigans.
Yeah!!!
That deserves to be re-quoted!
Leeching our intellectual property.
If Hansen's comments makes a few others - ex-NZ coaches and players - think twice then I'm all for it!
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@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
I still think Akira Ioane will comfortably make the step up. A few rough edges, but much better raw material to work with.
No need to push the No.6 panic button just yet.
With Luatua gone and with so many talents in the second row, I'd like to see Barrett try a conversion from lock to loose forward. He has all the attributes for the Nr.6 jersey IMO.
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@Smudge said in Exodus 2017:
It's suggested on Planet Rugby that Hansen himself didn't actually lure anyone over there during his time as Wales coach. Personally, I can't be arsed looking it up, but . . .
No idea either but Hansen had a W10 L20 record with Wales so perhaps he should have!
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@Smudge said in Exodus 2017:
@Tim said in Exodus 2017:
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
So Hansen was an ex-NZer too when he coached Wales?
And didn't he and Henry lure NZ players over there?
It's suggested on Planet Rugby that Hansen himself didn't actually lure anyone over there during his time as Wales coach. Personally, I can't be arsed looking it up, but . . .
Henry encouraged Sonny Parker to come to Wales while he was playing rugby in Italy - but Hansen ended up capping him.
Even Ted didn't really poach anyone directly from the NZ set up, Howarth was in the NRL and Cardy and Sinkinson were already plying their trade in Europe before they popped on Ted's radar.
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@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
So Hansen was an ex-NZer too when he coached Wales?
I think he meant ex-AB (but quite possibly did say ex-NZer).
Every news article I've seen re Lam in the UK refers to "Samoan, Pat Lam"" so maybe he's got a point. Apparently (up here) Pats a Samoan.
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@gollum said in Exodus 2017:
@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
So Hansen was an ex-NZer too when he coached Wales?
I think he meant ex-AB (but quite possibly did say ex-NZer).
Every news article I've seen re Lam in the UK refers to "Samoan, Pat Lam"" so maybe he's got a point. Apparently (up here) Pats a Samoan.
Maybe someone should ask him what passport he is working on in the UK?
Given EU labor laws almost certainly his Samoan. Kiwi Pat indeed.
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@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
@gollum said in Exodus 2017:
@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
So Hansen was an ex-NZer too when he coached Wales?
I think he meant ex-AB (but quite possibly did say ex-NZer).
Every news article I've seen re Lam in the UK refers to "Samoan, Pat Lam"" so maybe he's got a point. Apparently (up here) Pats a Samoan.
Maybe someone should ask him what passport he is working on in the UK?
Given EU labor laws almost certainly his Samoan. Kiwi Pat indeed.
It's easier to work in the UK on a Samoan passport?
