2016 End-of-year internationals
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@Crash Well I guess that then gets into the whole player welfare discussion, which I still don't hold a coherent position on, some days I'm a hawk, others a dove. But, whatever position the refs are asked to take, it should be consistently applied.
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@Bones said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
@Disgusted-of-TW said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
@Pot-Hale said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
@Stargazer said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
Haha, and the commentator starts whinging, conveniently ignoring that the England player landed on his feet! That's never a card.
Barnes said that the player landed on his feet.
It does seem slightly perverse that the way the tackled player lands should be a factor in determining the penalty. I have no issue with the red for Daly, but the Argentinian challenge on May merited a yellow.
Mind you, if Daly had have at least tried to do something rather than just walk off after he's thrown the guy over his shoulder he could have possibly stopped him landing on his head. That was shit.
Oh , for sure not clever, but dumb and panicked rather than malicious, I think. Reminded me of my dogs response when he's caught with a shoe, drops it like a hot potato. Fine when it's a shoe, not great when it's a large bloke in mid jump.
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Surely SA coach can't last...
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@Disgusted-of-TW said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
@Bones said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
@Disgusted-of-TW said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
@Pot-Hale said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
@Stargazer said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
Haha, and the commentator starts whinging, conveniently ignoring that the England player landed on his feet! That's never a card.
Barnes said that the player landed on his feet.
It does seem slightly perverse that the way the tackled player lands should be a factor in determining the penalty. I have no issue with the red for Daly, but the Argentinian challenge on May merited a yellow.
Mind you, if Daly had have at least tried to do something rather than just walk off after he's thrown the guy over his shoulder he could have possibly stopped him landing on his head. That was shit.
Oh , for sure not clever, but dumb and panicked rather than malicious, I think. Reminded me of my dogs response when he's caught with a shoe, drops it like a hot potato. Fine when it's a shoe, not great when it's a large bloke in mid jump.
That sounds like a large dog.
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Name Tenure Win %
Ian McIntosh 1993–94[127] 33%
Kitch Christie 1994–96[128] 100%
Andre Markgraaff 1996[129] 61%
Carel du Plessis 1997[130] 37%
Nick Mallett 1997–2000[131] 71%
Harry Viljoen 2000–02[132] 53%
Rudolf Straeuli 2002–03[133] 52%
Jake White 2004–07[134] 67%
Peter de Villiers 2008–11[135] 62%
Heyneke Meyer 2012–15[136] 67%
Allister Coetzee 2016– 31% -
@RaGe_X said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
Name Tenure Win %
Ian McIntosh 1993–94[127] 33%
Kitch Christie 1994–96[128] 100%
Andre Markgraaff 1996[129] 61%
Carel du Plessis 1997[130] 37%
Nick Mallett 1997–2000[131] 71%
Harry Viljoen 2000–02[132] 53%
Rudolf Straeuli 2002–03[133] 52%
Jake White 2004–07[134] 67%
Peter de Villiers 2008–11[135] 62%
Heyneke Meyer 2012–15[136] 67%
Allister Coetzee 2016– 31%I was sad to see Heyneke go to be honest. He lived and breathed Bok rugby. His predecessor was a loon and his successor is just not up to it, nor has he from all accounts been able to keep the engine room engaged.
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The ANC needs to make a choice. Keep pursuing their race agenda, watch all their good players leave or even choose to play for other countries and SA rugby become the Italy of the rugby championship.
Or ditch Coetzee, pick a proper coach and a team based on merit.
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Within minutes of South Africa's defeat, their eighth defeat in the calendar year, the president of SA Rugby announced a review into the season and an overhaul of South African rugby.
"It has been a profoundly disappointing season in terms of results and we are acutely aware that we have failed to live up to the Springboks’ proud heritage,” said Mark Alexander.
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People berated Heyneke for his "backward" (read: conservative) rugby. Stats show his team was scoring more tries than previous boks teams coached by others.
Then they go and employ the kingpin of conservative rugby from the Stormers.
SA Rugby are still paying out Heyneke, will most likely have to pay out Alistair if they want to get rid of him.
Add to that the fact that SA Rugby's anchor sponsor pulled out over the Transformation row. Where is SA Rugby going to find a quality coach on:
- A shoestring budget, and
- Who doesnt mind jeopardizing their career by having one hand tied behind his back when it comes to coach and team selections.
Our minister of sport has done a wonderful job executing his plan of dismantling SA Rugby, and brought it on par with SA football.
RIP SA Rugby
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Guscott commentary on BBC:
To put this win in context, New Zealand absolutely thrashed South Africa, England put 50 points on them and Wales 27.
That gives you a measure of Wales' level and how poor South Africa are, -
@antipodean said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
Within minutes of South Africa's defeat, their eighth defeat in the calendar year, the president of SA Rugby announced a review into the season and an overhaul of South African rugby.
"It has been a profoundly disappointing season in terms of results and we are acutely aware that we have failed to live up to the Springboks’ proud heritage,” said Mark Alexander.
The issues are pretty obvious, no?
Why spend a bunch of money on an overhaul that they don't have anyway?
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@antipodean said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
Guscott commentary on BBC:
To put this win in context, New Zealand absolutely thrashed South Africa, England put 50 points on them and Wales 27.
That gives you a measure of Wales' level and how poor South Africa are,"England put 50 points on [South Africa]" - it was actually 37 (to 21), which is only 10 points more than Wales. Or, another way, England's 16 point margin over the Boks puts them in the same category as the All Blacks, whereas Wales' 14 point win puts them in a bracket of lesser teams.
Nice use of facts Guscott. Really you were just using South Africa's poor form as a means to talk England up.
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After a narrow loss to Australia and a nerve racking but clinical win over the Pumas surely a 45-16 victory over the might of Georgia is a new era for Scottish Rugby ?
( Well, provided they don't fuck up against the Italians as they often do and then fight it out for the wooden spoon in the six nations )
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Well done England, but by christ the Argies are as thick as pig shit.
England v impressive to win with reduced number(s) and Argentina need a check up from the neck up.
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From a mate
If you were born in 1900, you would have had to wait 99 years for Wales to beat the Boks. Now we've beaten them three times in twenty years. People say this is a poor bok side. Maybe. The Welsh side that lost 96-13 to the boks in 98 was beyond shite. IIRC the saffers still celebrated that win. We have all the usual problems, but there was a time we would have lost this game. Perspective. Just saying......:0)
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@Tregaskis said in 2016 End-of-year internationals:
@MN5 I quietly sipped a Glenmorangie in celebration at their November results. Would love the Scots to keep improving as they have recently.
The amount of times I've said similar only to watch them crash and burn vs Italy in the six nations first up. Shouldn't be an issue next year though, they beat S.A sure but who can't do that these days?
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Argies are an extremely ill disciplined side. It's not just the penalties, but they don't realign well. They play 10 minutes of decent footy and then fall off the boil.
When they played good footy against the ABs they looked committed for good stretches. They had none of that against England.
