All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
All of a sudden some posters here have a newfound zeal for the law book, which is nice to see. But to me just pointing to the laws and saying 'he broke that one' is not enough to justify a decision.
Rugby is about grey areas, and working out which infringements impact the game and which do not. You could blow 3 or 4 penalties at every ruck, with the same 'it's against the law' justification that those on here have used. That doesn't make it good refereeing.
I don't think the TMO call was a good one. I don't think it was an out and out clanger, either. I can see both sides of the argument. On the balance of probablity, Savea isn't getting to Speight, and DHP's actions weren't agregious enough to warrant a penalty. You could mount an equally strong case that the penalty should have gone against Savea, for his initial hindering of DHP.
But you wouldn't, because by and large it wouldn't have impacted the end result. Same, IMO, with what DHP did to Savea.
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@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
I can think of a bigger bitch when it comes to cricket.
@barbarian said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I don't think the TMO call was a good one. I don't think it was an out and out clanger, either. I can see both sides of the argument. On the balance of probablity, Savea isn't getting to Speight, and DHP's actions weren't agregious enough to warrant a penalty. You could mount an equally strong case that the penalty should have gone against Savea, for his initial hindering of DHP.
But you wouldn't, because by and large it wouldn't have impacted the end result. Same, IMO, with what DHP did to Savea.
Yep. "Material effect" is what a lot of refs are looking for.
The part for World Rugby to look at will be mostly around protocols relating to TMO and Broadcast:
TMO can pull up anything before the conversion is attempted. So if you score a dodgy one under the posts and the ref says its OK, then you pop a droppie over, you're fine. If its out wide and you need a minute to catch your breath and walk the tee back, you might not be fine.
That is probably the inconsistent part. First instance I can remember was Fiji v England in RWC2015, when the guy was shown to knock-on after Peyper gave it, because he was behind play. At the time there was a fair bit of head scratching from all the neutrals.
As for Hansen contrasting that event to Coles/Foley - different situations as its two guys going for the ball, so I don't think you can really use that to highlight "obstruction" as a ruling. They're different clauses in the Law.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
I can think of a bigger bitch when it comes to cricket@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
I can think of a bigger bitch when it comes to cricket.
Steve Smith??
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Watching in real time I instantly thought dhp bombed that try. Don't see any controversy at all.
It was a crucial moment in the match, dhp's decision to turn a 95% try scoring chance into '100%' was so so poor.
The crucial moment was dhp's decision, not the Tmo decision. That was common sense and a zero on the controversy scale. What am I missing?
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Some very poor tackling from starting 11, 12, 13, 14 and the replacement (Naivalu?) wasn't much better
He was basically anonymous.
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@broughie who gets dropped for Akira?
I think he is quite a way off being test ready.
I just scanned through the game as I recall a head butt from Hooper, anything come from it?
It was pretty tame but still, I have seen that get carded before. Crotty also got a hefty kick to the face at one point that may not have been deliberate but was 'deliberately reckless'. A swinging leg toward the head of a player near the ball.
Did you see my post regards Mumm elbows Retallick about 52.40. There was a few niggly off the ball things, equally I took delete in Coles smacking Mumms head into the turf after tackling that mutant giraffe.
This just in. Dean "Runslikeya" Mumm has just been cited for striking. c/Radio Sport #eatshityamuppet
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@barbarian said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
Like their semi-final against South Africa last year? Or their pool game against Argentina? I think we've seen enough from this team that it can stay in the competition and give itself a chance.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Steve Smith??
Closer to home.
Ahh yes, that's right - Michael Clarke isn't away on tour anymore.
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Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
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zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
....re Owens, great ref, he made a mistake, it didn't cost us the game. It could be argued that perhaps if the try wasn't disallowed then the shape of the game would have changed, but after we leaked 20+ points at the end, I don't really see it.
@__Nepia responded__ in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Why did you think he made a mistake? He referred what he thought was illegal play to the TMO. The TMO reviewed the footage and they found that DHP illegally obstructed Savea - which he did.
What mistake did Owen's make?
As knowledgeable sports broadcaster Bruce McAvaney used say I think this next bit is "special":
zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
"Not sure of the rules, Savea was never going to make the tackle. If what DHP did is a legitimate offence (shepherding a player in back-play) then the rules need to change."
which is pretty much "Dunno the law but I don't like it therefore Owens made a mistake and, if that doesn't get a guernsey, the law is dodgy and must be changed to something more to my liking"
Scroll up is your friend - you will find the rule is expressed ever so simply and that it doesn't complicate matters by inviting assessment of whether a tackle might have been made, or by mentioning shepherding or by offering a waiver if hurt folk don't like it.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
One day it might trip us up
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Considering every 10 in the squad is a kicker for their Super teams, whos playing 10? Ben Smith?
If Beaudy is your 10 as I assume you're referring to his average kicking, that would be Naholo and Savea on the wings, cause Dagg has shown he can kick, and then Ben at fullback?
If thats the strike-force, then honestly, who gives a rats - coz they've shown they can strike from anywhere and win against Tier 1 sides with minimal possession.
Hasn't cost us a test match so far, did it cost the Canes at all this year?Made this commentary last night - Beauden Barrett has probably only ever been responsible for kicking on Eden Park 4-5 times (a bunch with the Canes, and maybe once previously with the AB's) maybe there are a few nuances on that ground, that he hasn't dealt with yet, Foley missed some even easier kicks than Beaudy, and I thought I recalled the MatchComms suggesting the wind was swirly.
That said, hes an AB, he needs to do better.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
Maybe I should change my signature to a Cheika disclaimer...
