All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Disappointing decision by the ref, disallowing a try, but it becomes a moot point and irrelevant when you done by 20+ points. Perhaps a closer game you'd be justified in bringing it up.
And Cheika started basically that.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Why did you think he made a mistake? He referred what he thought was illegal play to the TMO. The TMO reviewed the footage and they found that DHP illegally obstructed Savea - which he did.
What mistake did Owen's make?
Actually I don't think Owens referred it - Veldsman wanted to look at it from the replays.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
Clearly it was, because the try was disallowed. If DHP had not obstructed Savea then none of this would have happened and I could have been saying "what an awesome ankle tap by Savea" or "if Speight was a pie Savea would have caught him". The reason I'm not is because DHP decided to obstruct him.
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on. -
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Disappointing decision by the ref, disallowing a try, but it becomes a moot point and irrelevant when you done by 20+ points. Perhaps a closer game you'd be justified in bringing it up.
And Cheika started basically that.
Yep he was fine about that, but why, for the love of God did he have to basically blame the abs for pictures in the Herald or mention the bugging incident? Or even the lack of a beer invite? What's wrong with him?
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I was pretty boozed when I watched this, but the thing that was apparent to me was how quickly the wallabies structure on both sides of the ball break down. It only takes a couple of phases for them to look really disorganised
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I was pretty boozed when I watched this, but the thing that was apparent to me was how quickly the wallabies structure on both sides of the ball break down. It only takes a couple of phases for them to look really disorganised
Especially the backs. In part that was because our three-quarter line had about 25 caps between them. Also I just don't rate Speight defensively. His attempted intercept was the right move until it utterly wasn't.
Some very poor tackling from starting 11, 12, 13, 14 and the replacement (Naivalu?) wasn't much better
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafer lost his shit last night and said that Owens should never ref an international game ever again. I hope he apologizes. Kafer has always been one of the better coms on Fox but that was disgraceful.
Cheika is just an appalling character. His pathetic tantrums and conspiracy theories belong in soccer not rugby. It's a shame because this team does have potential and actually looked well coached yesterday.
I haven't been much of a fan of Liam Squire, but I have to say that he's given me a bit if a stiffy in the past few weeks.
I'm (we're?) getting a bit tired of Cheika having these dummy spits every time the ref makes a call he doesn't agree with. OK the disallowed try, you'd forgive him for losing the plot, but he does it every time something doesn't go the Wallabies way. He did it throughout the Wallabies/Eng series, very tiresome.
re Owens, great ref, he made a mistake, it didn't cost us the game. It could be argued that perhaps if the try wasn't disallowed then the shape of the game would have changed, but after we leaked 20+ points at the end, I don't really see it.
Why did you think he made a mistake? He referred what he thought was illegal play to the TMO. The TMO reviewed the footage and they found that DHP illegally obstructed Savea - which he did.
What mistake did Owen's make?
Not sure of the rules, Savea was never going to make the tackle. If what DHP did is a legitimate offence (shepherding a player in back-play) then the rules need to change.
Bollocks. Don't play the man without the ball ...
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Disappointing decision by the ref, disallowing a try, but it becomes a moot point and irrelevant when you done by 20+ points. Perhaps a closer game you'd be justified in bringing it up.
And Cheika started basically that.
In amongst other diversionary comments
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
Serious enough to he penalised. Seriouz enough to disallow the try.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Disappointing decision by the ref, disallowing a try, but it becomes a moot point and irrelevant when you done by 20+ points. Perhaps a closer game you'd be justified in bringing it up.
And Cheika started basically that.
Yep he was fine about that, but why, for the love of God did he have to basically blame the abs for pictures in the Herald or mention the bugging incident? Or even the lack of a beer invite? What's wrong with him?
Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
My 4 and 6 year old daughters act more mature then he does when things don't go their way.
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The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
All of a sudden some posters here have a newfound zeal for the law book, which is nice to see. But to me just pointing to the laws and saying 'he broke that one' is not enough to justify a decision.
Rugby is about grey areas, and working out which infringements impact the game and which do not. You could blow 3 or 4 penalties at every ruck, with the same 'it's against the law' justification that those on here have used. That doesn't make it good refereeing.
I don't think the TMO call was a good one. I don't think it was an out and out clanger, either. I can see both sides of the argument. On the balance of probablity, Savea isn't getting to Speight, and DHP's actions weren't agregious enough to warrant a penalty. You could mount an equally strong case that the penalty should have gone against Savea, for his initial hindering of DHP.
But you wouldn't, because by and large it wouldn't have impacted the end result. Same, IMO, with what DHP did to Savea.
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@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
I can think of a bigger bitch when it comes to cricket.
@barbarian said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I don't think the TMO call was a good one. I don't think it was an out and out clanger, either. I can see both sides of the argument. On the balance of probablity, Savea isn't getting to Speight, and DHP's actions weren't agregious enough to warrant a penalty. You could mount an equally strong case that the penalty should have gone against Savea, for his initial hindering of DHP.
But you wouldn't, because by and large it wouldn't have impacted the end result. Same, IMO, with what DHP did to Savea.
Yep. "Material effect" is what a lot of refs are looking for.
The part for World Rugby to look at will be mostly around protocols relating to TMO and Broadcast:
TMO can pull up anything before the conversion is attempted. So if you score a dodgy one under the posts and the ref says its OK, then you pop a droppie over, you're fine. If its out wide and you need a minute to catch your breath and walk the tee back, you might not be fine.
That is probably the inconsistent part. First instance I can remember was Fiji v England in RWC2015, when the guy was shown to knock-on after Peyper gave it, because he was behind play. At the time there was a fair bit of head scratching from all the neutrals.
As for Hansen contrasting that event to Coles/Foley - different situations as its two guys going for the ball, so I don't think you can really use that to highlight "obstruction" as a ruling. They're different clauses in the Law.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
I can think of a bigger bitch when it comes to cricket@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
I can think of a bigger bitch when it comes to cricket.
Steve Smith??
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Watching in real time I instantly thought dhp bombed that try. Don't see any controversy at all.
It was a crucial moment in the match, dhp's decision to turn a 95% try scoring chance into '100%' was so so poor.
The crucial moment was dhp's decision, not the Tmo decision. That was common sense and a zero on the controversy scale. What am I missing?
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Some very poor tackling from starting 11, 12, 13, 14 and the replacement (Naivalu?) wasn't much better
He was basically anonymous.
Maybe I should change my signature to a Cheika disclaimer...