All Blacks 2024
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
you spelled 'media' wrong
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
Three posts ago you were arguing that they should know how to pass by now?
That comment I meant for the backs. That's still a problem for them too when it shouldn't be. Tight forwards shouldn't be expected to assist in backline moves
Apart from off set piece, is there such a thing now? And, my comment stands for rugby players, it's not positional.
I also can't see how we'll have effective phase play if we don't have forwards who can effectively handle the ball, that's exactly where the NH has caught up.
Yup forwards should mostly do moves with forwards.
The Crusaders used the same pattern the ABs used extensively this year and had the same issues. The Blues rarely used the 'out the back door' pattern. The proof is in the pudding.
Moving goalposts here.
Even the Blues Attack structure has forwards participating in phase play.
So, is your point that you don't like our pod system with down runners and the guy on the wrap?
I've said that many times about the 'out the back door' play.
The Blues forwards are focused in the narrow channels.
None of what I have said contradicts that. Not sure how you think it's moving the goal posts but what ever.
The wrap around tight forwards is a rubbish play when used over and over again. It leads to handling errors and backs not running hard and straight but sideways.
I still think it’s a good option to have in the tool belt against rush D. It challenges defenders and good players can look for broken defensive lines. McKenzie in particular.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
i dont agree with this, this is exactly the deception that other team are doing that is giving the outside centres and wings space, draw a defended or two, then out the back to a player in motion and put runners in space
I really like what they are trying to do and the skills being developed. Suits someone like McKenzie who might spot a broken line and take advantage. The other thing they are working on is the inside player passing over the top of the rush D. They give us options and are good innovations.
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@kev i generally agree...but what I think we need is a 10 that takes that back door and then hits the 13/wing/15 running into a gap rather than trying to run it himself. just the physics of it, 3 changes in direction rather than the 10 having to turn into a hole, plus the extra uncertainty of "whos he going to get it?"
I think the big looping run of the 10 is what jams up out outside rather than quick hands and straight runs at different angles
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Well said Beaver, even more of a legend
'This Springboks argument will never wash with me' - Ex-All Black's epic rant in response to Scott Robertson's plea
Ex-All Blacks fly-half Stephen Donald says the Springboks argument over eligibilty doesn't "wash" with him and accused Scott Robertson of "giving up".
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
Well said Beaver, even more of a legend
Ex-All Blacks fly-half Stephen Donald says the Springboks argument over eligibilty doesn't "wash" with him and accused Scott Robertson of "giving up".
“Let’s not sugar-coat it, this is about getting Richie Mo’unga back – it’s one person,” Donald continued.
Yep, and we all fucking know it. If he was DC it would make more sense, but he's not, not even close to being close despite his fluffers.
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Beaver cementing his GOAT status
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its also so blatantly self fore filling.....razor bends or changes the rules to get RM back...at +30 years old...clearly with the intent of running him through until the RWC....so another generation of 10's tell themselves its at least another 2-3 years before i get a good shot...fuck it i have bills to pay...pick form the guys we have...pick on form...reward those playing well and playing in NZ
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
Well said Beaver, even more of a legend
Ex-All Blacks fly-half Stephen Donald says the Springboks argument over eligibilty doesn't "wash" with him and accused Scott Robertson of "giving up".
A man who know how to perform on the big stage.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
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Still can't over DMac not having the starting reins after a wonderful performance against Ireland.
Compare that to the starting first five performance vs England where I was pulling my hair out
I just don't get it
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This comment from Razor kind of pisses me off
“They’ve got a got a great balance. They’ve got youth coming through, they’ve got great benches, they finish over top of teams and they’ve got big squads – they can have two really quality XVs"
And how do you know we don't Scott?
I just did the tedious process of going through our lineups this year, and the stark reality is, the selectors played the same guys all game every game.
Williams, Taylor, Lomax, Vaai, SBarrett, Savea, BBarrett, DMac JBarrett, and Ioane, all basically started every game this year, and played huge minutes. Cane, Jordan, Clarke and Patty T played every game they were available. Once Sititi took his chance, he played non stop. ALB locked in one bench spot, and started any time JB didn't. EdG was the other one if he didn't be a bit naughty.
Those guys played nearly the whole season in terms of the minutes available. No one else got a reasonable shot at anything. -
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
This comment from Razor kind of pisses me off
“They’ve got a got a great balance. They’ve got youth coming through, they’ve got great benches, they finish over top of teams and they’ve got big squads – they can have two really quality XVs"
And how do you know we don't Scott?
I just did the tedious process of going through our lineups this year, and the stark reality is, the selectors played the same guys all game every game.
Williams, Taylor, Lomax, Vaai, SBarrett, Savea, BBarrett, DMac JBarrett, and Ioane, all basically started every game this year, and played huge minutes. Cane, Jordan, Clarke and Patty T played every game they were available. Once Sititi took his chance, he played non stop. ALB locked in one bench spot, and started any time JB didn't. EdG was the other one if he didn't be a bit naughty.
Those guys played nearly the whole season in terms of the minutes available. No one else got a reasonable shot at anything.Most unlike Rassie
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@African-Monkey said in [All Blacks 2024](/post/1009071
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Which was fair enough as his results were largely shit. If Robertson’s results continue like that we should expect the same response. Hopefully he wouldn’t get reappointed after one decent result as well (yes I know he has 4 years).
Next year is actually much more in our favour for a good year. France are sending a reduced strength squad and we have 3 tests against them, both SA games are in NZ, even the Ireland match is Chicago (yes we have a 100% loss record there but it should be easier than Dublin). No Japan or Fiji matches to pad percentages but realistically I think we should only lose one, at most two, otherwise I will be disappointed.
