Italy v All Blacks
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@Jet said in Italy v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish said in Italy v All Blacks:
Harry Plummer
Who will forget his one and only cap. Two minutes on the field and didn't touch the ball. Great coaching.
I know nothing more about Plummer, Narawa, AJ Lam, Proctor (and Love to an extent), than I did before they came on tour.
A waste of Kerosene.
To be fair, it's probably quite a bit more important that Robertson knows more about these guys than you and I'm sure he's learned a lot about them.
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@Mr-Fish said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Jet said in Italy v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Mr-Fish said in Italy v All Blacks:
Harry Plummer
Who will forget his one and only cap. Two minutes on the field and didn't touch the ball. Great coaching.
I know nothing more about Plummer, Narawa, AJ Lam, Proctor (and Love to an extent), than I did before they came on tour.
A waste of Kerosene.
To be fair, it's probably quite a bit more important that Robertson knows more about these guys than you and I'm sure he's learned a lot about them.
That's fair but I'd say seeing them actually play in a test is the best test.
And I still don't understand why they play Havili not Lam. -
@Billy-Tell said in Italy v All Blacks:
I don’t have such a problem with Havili on the bench. But it does my head in that it’s not
10 McKenzie
15 Love
22 Perofeta (or swap with Love)And the argument for Havili over Lam in the 23 jersey for this hypothetical backline would be what exactly? Given the 3 players above all cover 10 and 15?
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@nostrildamus said in Italy v All Blacks:
And I still don't understand why they play Havili not Lam.
It would be an admission that they got the original squad selection wrong.
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@Bovidae said in Italy v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in Italy v All Blacks:
And I still don't understand why they play Havili not Lam.
It would be an admission that they got the original squad selection wrong.
Stuff that. Just play the guys that are most capable. No more teacher's pets
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@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
And the argument for Havili over Lam in the 23 jersey for this hypothetical backline would be what exactly? Given the 3 players above all cover 10 and 15?
I think we agree there isn't much reason. Havili is a test 12, not a 13 or a 10, no longer a 15, and we have plenty of ex / part-time 15s.
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@nostrildamus said in Italy v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
And the argument for Havili over Lam in the 23 jersey for this hypothetical backline would be what exactly? Given the 3 players above all cover 10 and 15?
I think we agree there isn't much reason. Havili is a test 12, not a 13 or a 10, no longer a 15, and we have plenty of ex / part-time 15s.
Even that’s optimistic
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@MN5 said in Italy v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in Italy v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
And the argument for Havili over Lam in the 23 jersey for this hypothetical backline would be what exactly? Given the 3 players above all cover 10 and 15?
I think we agree there isn't much reason. Havili is a test 12, not a 13 or a 10, no longer a 15, and we have plenty of ex / part-time 15s.
Even that’s optimistic
Yeah I read it again and thought why was I so nice? I don't rate him at 12 either. When he started under Foster I saw the potential but I really don't think he has been good enough in any position he played in to get the selections he has - then again I am no AB coach.
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@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Billy-Tell said in Italy v All Blacks:
I don’t have such a problem with Havili on the bench. But it does my head in that it’s not
10 McKenzie
15 Love
22 Perofeta (or swap with Love)And the argument for Havili over Lam in the 23 jersey for this hypothetical backline would be what exactly? Given the 3 players above all cover 10 and 15?
I have said this a number of times, I am not a fan of Havilii, but I can get his selection over Lam, at this stage. Lam has not had a lot of time in the midfield, and owing to the way the Blues played he has not had the chance to show he is a ball player. Next year if he plays midfield and gets to show he is at least the equal to Jordie as a passer, then yes, pick him. They'd be fools not to.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Italy v All Blacks:
Lam has not had a lot of time in the midfield
He's already had 22 first class starts in the midfield. Obviously he has shifted there late in games too.
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@Duluth said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Crazy-Horse said in Italy v All Blacks:
Lam has not had a lot of time in the midfield
He's already had 22 first class starts in the midfield. Obviously he has shifted there late in games too.
A few more than Sititi at 6
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Considering how troublesome finding a 6 has been, considering he isn't that big and plays at 8, throwing Sititi in there was inspired. Or ballsy. Or desperate. But well done him. I'm also on the Sititi as future AB captain bandwagon. Hope that isn't a jinx.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Italy v All Blacks:
I have said this a number of times, I am not a fan of Havilii, but I can get his selection over Lam, at this stage. Lam has not had a lot of time in the midfield, and owing to the way the Blues played he has not had the chance to show he is a ball player.
We don't have ball players in the midfield now. Lam has looked good in midfield for Blues (including 3 playoff games), a bad Auckland NPC team and an AB XV game.
I don't understand the fear at all.
Meanwhile how many games has Havili played at 13? I don't recall him playing there at all.
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@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Crazy-Horse said in Italy v All Blacks:
Meanwhile how many games has Havili played at 13? I don't recall him playing there at all.
It's a poor excuse to justify retaining a player who IMHO doesn't deserve to be there
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@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Crazy-Horse said in Italy v All Blacks:
Meanwhile how many games has Havili played at 13? I don't recall him playing there at all.
It's a poor excuse to justify retaining a player who IMHO doesn't deserve to be there
Maybe, but it was an attempt to see their reasoning.
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@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Billy-Tell said in Italy v All Blacks:
I don’t have such a problem with Havili on the bench. But it does my head in that it’s not
10 McKenzie
15 Love
22 Perofeta (or swap with Love)And the argument for Havili over Lam in the 23 jersey for this hypothetical backline would be what exactly? Given the 3 players above all cover 10 and 15?
I think Havili was in the squad and Lam was added later. It would therefore be odd to promote Lam. The coaches also have to think of squad harmony etc. If you parachute players in and play them ahead of original squad picks, Qs will be asked.
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@Billy-Tell said in Italy v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Billy-Tell said in Italy v All Blacks:
I don’t have such a problem with Havili on the bench. But it does my head in that it’s not
10 McKenzie
15 Love
22 Perofeta (or swap with Love)And the argument for Havili over Lam in the 23 jersey for this hypothetical backline would be what exactly? Given the 3 players above all cover 10 and 15?
I think Havili was in the squad and Lam was added later. It would therefore be odd to promote Lam. The coaches also have to think of squad harmony etc. If you parachute players in and play them ahead of original squad picks, Qs will be asked.
Questions like, why did you pick a below average AB instead of someone who has been much better? Yeah terrible questions, might show how bloody awful their picks have mostly been
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@Billy-Tell said in Italy v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Billy-Tell said in Italy v All Blacks:
I don’t have such a problem with Havili on the bench. But it does my head in that it’s not
10 McKenzie
15 Love
22 Perofeta (or swap with Love)And the argument for Havili over Lam in the 23 jersey for this hypothetical backline would be what exactly? Given the 3 players above all cover 10 and 15?
I think Havili was in the squad and Lam was added later. It would therefore be odd to promote Lam. The coaches also have to think of squad harmony etc. If you parachute players in and play them ahead of original squad picks, Qs will be asked.
That would be rather two faced. Very Foster like.
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@nostrildamus said in Italy v All Blacks:
Considering how troublesome finding a 6 has been, considering he isn't that big and plays at 8, throwing Sititi in there was inspired. Or ballsy. Or desperate. But well done him. I'm also on the Sititi as future AB captain bandwagon. Hope that isn't a jinx.
Settle. Let’s just see him continue to play well before putting those expectations round his neck
