Italy v All Blacks
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@mikey07 said in Italy v All Blacks:
I got oil on the loosie trio vs Italy Savea, Cane, Sititi and Lakai off the bench not that I agree with it
is that 8 7 6 or 6 7 8?
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@Tim said in Italy v All Blacks:
@mikey07 Assume Finau is out, he looked bad after that collision. He seemed to slip as he went to tackle, and at the point of collision the back of his head was facing forward, and was the contact point.
Confirmed on 12 day minimum stand down
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@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
dude, they are your words in your post. i am simply asking you to clarify what you mean. Sam Cane is the best openside in the country right now, and caps are not "wasted" on him. And for all they hype, he is not less able than Lakai, he is far more able.
Now, if you are talking about TJP, who is very lucky to be considered in the top 3 halfbacks in teh country, let alone the top 2, then it is a different conversation. However your post doesn't make that distinction.
(you're not the only one to have a pop at Cane either, but yours was the final straw)
Number All Blacks Rucks under 3s on NH Tour
37 Japan ( Cane starts at 7 )
43 England ( Cane starts at 7 )
40 Ireland ( Cane starts at 7 )
78 France ( Savea starts at 7 )How do you know we wouldn't have lost by more if Cane started?
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@nostrildamus that’s all I could get out of my source I’m guessing Sititi 6 Cane 7 and Savea 8 which to me seems silly I’d put Savea at 6 and leave Sititi at 8.
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@Grooter said in Italy v All Blacks:
@mikey07 if accurate I wonder why Robertson didn't allow Lio-Willie to play some actual Rugby for the XV
100% totally agree I think that’s been the problem on this tour too many of the guys brought into the ABs squad to hold tackle bags instead of playing.
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@reprobate said in Italy v All Blacks:
@brodean The stat I find disturbing is the very high % of 0-3s rucks for Ireland.
The stats are for the All Blacks rucks under 3 seconds.
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@brodean said in Italy v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Italy v All Blacks:
@brodean The stat I find disturbing is the very high % of 0-3s rucks for Ireland.
The stats are for the All Blacks rucks under 3 seconds.
NZ had 61% possession against France so were always going to have more rucks under 3 seconds. Do you have the stats as a percentage of total rucks, or number of rucks over 3 seconds?
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@Tim said in Italy v All Blacks:
@mikey07 Assume Finau is out, he looked bad after that collision. He seemed to slip as he went to tackle, and at the point of collision the back of his head was facing forward, and was the contact point.
He left the pitch like he’d sculled a bottle of whisky and hour before and was being whisked away by some concerned mates. There is no way he is playing this weekend imo.
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@Billy-Tell another one to add to the EdG rumour mill.
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@brodean said in Italy v All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
dude, they are your words in your post. i am simply asking you to clarify what you mean. Sam Cane is the best openside in the country right now, and caps are not "wasted" on him. And for all they hype, he is not less able than Lakai, he is far more able.
Now, if you are talking about TJP, who is very lucky to be considered in the top 3 halfbacks in teh country, let alone the top 2, then it is a different conversation. However your post doesn't make that distinction.
(you're not the only one to have a pop at Cane either, but yours was the final straw)
Number All Blacks Rucks under 3s on NH Tour
37 Japan ( Cane starts at 7 )
43 England ( Cane starts at 7 )
40 Ireland ( Cane starts at 7 )
78 France ( Savea starts at 7 )How do you know we wouldn't have lost by more if Cane started?
Here's another way to do stat based selections:
W Japan ( Cane starts at 7 )
W England ( Cane starts at 7 )
W Ireland ( Cane starts at 7 )
L France ( Savea starts at 7 ) -
@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
Look, i am as excited by Lakai as even you crazy Canes fans who think all your players should be starting ABs.
Lomax, Aumua, Tosi, Lakai, Roigard, JB, Proctor, Love.
Well yeah. We'd probably be 4/4 on this tour. -
I'm going to take a stab at the AB 23 for Italy and see how close we can get:
- E De Groot
- C Taylor
- P Tosi
- S Barrett (C)
- P Tuipolotu
- W Sititi
- S Cane
- A Savea
- C Roigard
- D McKenzie
- C Clarke
- A Leinert-Brown
- R Ioane
- S Reece
- W Jordan
- A Aumua
- O Tu'ungafasi
- F Newell
- J Lord / F Holland
- P Lakai
- T Perenara
- D Havili
- R Love / S Perofeta
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@antipodean said in Italy v All Blacks:
@brodean said in Italy v All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
dude, they are your words in your post. i am simply asking you to clarify what you mean. Sam Cane is the best openside in the country right now, and caps are not "wasted" on him. And for all they hype, he is not less able than Lakai, he is far more able.
Now, if you are talking about TJP, who is very lucky to be considered in the top 3 halfbacks in teh country, let alone the top 2, then it is a different conversation. However your post doesn't make that distinction.
(you're not the only one to have a pop at Cane either, but yours was the final straw)
Number All Blacks Rucks under 3s on NH Tour
37 Japan ( Cane starts at 7 )
43 England ( Cane starts at 7 )
40 Ireland ( Cane starts at 7 )
78 France ( Savea starts at 7 )How do you know we wouldn't have lost by more if Cane started?
Here's another way to do stat based selections:
W Japan ( Cane starts at 7 )
W England ( Cane starts at 7 )
W Ireland ( Cane starts at 7 )
L France ( Savea starts at 7 )None of those teams played as well as France. None of them have the same ceiling.
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@Canes4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
I'm going to take a stab at the AB 23 for Italy and see how close we can get:
- E De Groot
- C Taylor
- P Tosi
- S Barrett (C)
- P Tuipolotu
- W Sititi
- S Cane
- A Savea
- C Roigard
- D McKenzie
- C Clarke
- A Leinert-Brown
- R Ioane
- S Reece
- W Jordan
- A Aumua
- O Tu'ungafasi
- F Newell
- J Lord / F Holland
- P Lakai
- T Perenara
- D Havili
- R Love / S Perofeta
I would say you've got maybe half the starting XV right, if you ignore what position you've put them in...
