All Blacks vs Ireland

KiwiInLondon

Rieko Ioane had to clean up so much shit ball, and managed to quickly recycle. Got a few hospital passes!

People don’t appreciate just how solid Rieko is in defense and how much crap he has to deal with. Not enough appreciation

Tim

@KiwiInLondon Great hit from him at 50 minutes that spilled the ball. Nice low tackle from Sititi.

Bones

@Tim without doing any kind of deep dive whatsoever, he seems very busy, quick back to position and often well balanced to put in a solid shoulder.

If I was to quantify it with accurate fact, I'd say he's a lovely hybrid of Collins and Sooialo.

Tim

@KiwiInLondon Yeah, because of our wide and flat play, he has to hit a shitload of rucks too.

Bones

Tim

I don't want to shit on him too much, but Cane really got smashed when he had the ball.

Tim

Would be interesting to see the stats on knocks on this game compared to the average. Some very aggressive defense.

Tim

Sititi is a very good link player. Best we've had for a long time.

Tim

@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.

Tim

@Bones In the last 20 minutes he did a lot of work getting wide on defence.

Tim

13 points is a very low total for Ireland, Ioane did really well rushing up and stopping their attack.

Bones

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.

I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.

kiwiinmelb

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kiwiinmelb

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.

Coaching the ABs is a results based business,

Win you will be a hero , lose you will be the opposite,

And It’s never been any different

There was similar negativity with Henry and Hansen at times and they took us through our most successful era .

Bones

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.

Coaching the ABs is a results based business,

Win you will be a hero , lose you will be the opposite,

And It’s never been any different

There was similar negativity with Henry and Hansen at times and they took us through our most successful era .

It was a long time ago, but the difference being I don't recall injury being their best selector.

Steven Harris

Don’t know if it’s been said but I was super impressed with the skipper Scott Barrett on a few levels
I thought his general play was exceptional and he picked off a couple of lineouts
but more importantly is growing into his captaincy making good calls when points were on offer
It was also great to see Scooter standing up for fellow player , not taking a backward step when the opposition was obviously putting in some unwanted attention

reprobate

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.

I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.

I disagree that he costs more than he gives.

His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.

To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.

You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.

kiwiinmelb

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.

Coaching the ABs is a results based business,

Win you will be a hero , lose you will be the opposite,

And It’s never been any different

There was similar negativity with Henry and Hansen at times and they took us through our most successful era .

It was a long time ago, but the difference being I don't recall injury being their best selector.

Yeah fair , I guess I’m just saying not everyone was onboard with their appointments

nostrildamus

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.

I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.

I disagree that he costs more than he gives.

His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.

To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.

You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.

To be fair to Plummer he needs to get picked in order to not make a break.

canefan

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.

I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.

I disagree that he costs more than he gives.

His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.

To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.

You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.

To be fair to Plummer he needs to get picked in order to not make a break.

How do we know until we see him play right?
Apparently Patty T is a flake who could never produce the goods in black, but of course that aged well...

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All Blacks vs Ireland