All Blacks vs Ireland
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
By the way,did I imagine it, or was only half our Anthem played. I was in a pub here, so may have missed it, Mrs Dan said same as me.
If it was only half, I even more happy with win, you don't really f*** with anthems.It was just the instrumental so I assume not much point in playing it twice? I'd assume AB management was informed of the order and manner of proceedings so can't really get too hot and bothered about.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Great win I thought, where strangely enough, I feel like the conditions suited us more, as it really stunted Ireland's ability to use the ball. Have to agree with people criticising Nic Berry. He was awful, and Ireland used it to their advantage, having said that, Ratima got away with a blatant strip on the ground on Aki so bad calls were going both ways.
How good was Aumua? He was probably my man of the match, closely followed by Sititi. Man he was into everything. Carried strongly, smashed players, and won a couple of turnovers too. Is he a better starter (not suggesting he starts every test)? Sititi was strong as usual. His carries get us out of trouble a lot, he really uses his shoulders well before going into contact with ball in hand as you see defenders get bumped off constantly by him and his work on defence too. Wins a lot of ball back.
The side we're putting out currently is a lot stronger than what we had previously been putting out earlier in the season too, especially the bench, and funnily enough, injury has been the cause of a fair few changes. It's gone from looking extremely bland with journeymen to actually looking like a strength all of a sudden.
7 is probably the only wide open spot right now once Cane leaves. I'd love to see Lakai get given a go. Obviously Ardie will always be 8 regardless of how good or bad he's going, but I think Finau, Lakai and Sititi is the future. Would love to see it one day.
NB was allowing Ireland to push around the ruck which starved Rat of clean ball. When it became obvious he wasn't going to PK Ireland we needed to get two more blokes in there cleaning up. The rucks were mostly better for CamRoi.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Giving it the big one , because you've executed a 50/22 while 10 points down tells you all you need to know about that mob.
That kick though was a thing of beauty. Jordan did nothing wrong, the idea was good but bugger me, what a response!
Oh come on, how many meek turnovers does this guy get away with under the guise of doing nothing wrong? It was a shit kick when we were hot on attack. Selfish play.
Mate, a few minutes to play, put the opposition in their own 22 for a lineout. Whatever this kid has done to your family, let it go.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
DMac's clearances alone make him our best bet at 10 and he was also very good in all aspects of his play. Best 10 we have had since DC IMO.
Everyone knows DMac can run and sidestep with the best but today the error rate was reduced and his long pragmatic touch finders were pure gold.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
Mentioned this when it happened live. Was told I was wrong. Glad I'm not the only one who recognised this.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
DMac's clearances alone make him our best bet at 10 and he was also very good in all aspects of his play. Best 10 we have had since DC IMO.
Everyone knows DMac can run and sidestep with the best but today the error rate was reduced and his long pragmatic touch finders were pure gold.
And goal kicking
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Giving it the big one , because you've executed a 50/22 while 10 points down tells you all you need to know about that mob.
That kick though was a thing of beauty. Jordan did nothing wrong, the idea was good but bugger me, what a response!
Oh come on, how many meek turnovers does this guy get away with under the guise of doing nothing wrong? It was a shit kick when we were hot on attack. Selfish play.
Mate, a few minutes to play, put the opposition in their own 22 for a lineout. Whatever this kid has done to your family, let it go.
I'm a Jordan fan, have him locked in to start at 15, and it was a bad option: Barrettesque. Kicking the ball away when we want to control possession. Executing it poorly so we lose both possession and territory. Lowe was in good position. The odds of him hitting the 50-22 were small, but if he doesn't have the ball they're a lot slimmer.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
DMac's clearances alone make him our best bet at 10 and he was also very good in all aspects of his play. Best 10 we have had since DC IMO.
Everyone knows DMac can run and sidestep with the best but today the error rate was reduced and his long pragmatic touch finders were pure gold.
He kicks long and often for the Chiefs and has done for two full years - everyone should know that by now too I reckon.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Giving it the big one , because you've executed a 50/22 while 10 points down tells you all you need to know about that mob.
That kick though was a thing of beauty. Jordan did nothing wrong, the idea was good but bugger me, what a response!
Oh come on, how many meek turnovers does this guy get away with under the guise of doing nothing wrong? It was a shit kick when we were hot on attack. Selfish play.
Mate, a few minutes to play, put the opposition in their own 22 for a lineout. Whatever this kid has done to your family, let it go.
They were under pressure, we were running hot, he did his usual schizo and only cared about him so did his cute, aimless dink ahead. Brainless play. Repro has it covered.
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@Frye said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
By the way,did I imagine it, or was only half our Anthem played. I was in a pub here, so may have missed it, Mrs Dan said same as me.
If it was only half, I even more happy with win, you don't really f*** with anthems.It was just the instrumental so I assume not much point in playing it twice? I'd assume AB management was informed of the order and manner of proceedings so can't really get too hot and bothered about.
ABs didn't know about, Clarke looked pissed. But officially they played our national anthem, we just sing it twice in two different languages nowadays.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
Re #1 about the only thing I saw with the quick tap is that the Irish were never back 10... just doesn't seem to get called very often... ARs should be all over that...
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Watching replay and highlights etc - the way The English and Irish celebrate knock ons, penalties , free kicks etc -- literally running to flex in front of the cameras at times ..... very cringe
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I normally try to restrict my comments on refs to a single sentence or so, but Berry was not up to standard in this game. The penalty on Jordie with the high kick - he really could have called the same on almost every high kick all game if he is going to set the line there. It would be a good change for us and a bad one for SA in theory (because they've been much better than us at protecting their players) - but fuck it's hard to see how you can ref that consistently without every high kick being a penalty to the kicking team. Jordie didn't even look back, he just ran towards the ball, and if he goes sideways and hits someone then he'll get done for changing his line. So what's he meant to do, run backwards so he can see them, and actively dodge the chasers? Weird shit.
It was subtle but it looked to me like Hansen sought that contact too , and why wouldn't you? Easy penalty.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
Yep good but both Barrett decisions were correct.
I have learned to not get annoyed at yc rulings but the first penalty was garbage.
Stank of a referee predetermining pregame he was going to focus on one or two distinct aspects so forcing them instead of just reffing.
I felt like we adapted well to the high ball rule, better than the Irish in fact. By the end everyone was just standing still waiting for the kicks to come down, and IIRC we profited more than once as our chasers came through to contest
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
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Not relevant. Head high tackle on an attacking player 2m out. Has to be a card.
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Vaai didn’t move. You can’t be looking at the same play.
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If it was reverse crowd woujd have gone up in arms and TMO would have got involved. No question in my mind
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Giving it the big one , because you've executed a 50/22 while 10 points down tells you all you need to know about that mob.
That kick though was a thing of beauty. Jordan did nothing wrong, the idea was good but bugger me, what a response!
Oh come on, how many meek turnovers does this guy get away with under the guise of doing nothing wrong? It was a shit kick when we were hot on attack. Selfish play.
Mate, a few minutes to play, put the opposition in their own 22 for a lineout. Whatever this kid has done to your family, let it go.
They were under pressure, we were running hot, he did his usual schizo and only cared about him so did his cute, aimless dink ahead. Brainless play. Repro has it covered.
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Dunno if this has been posted...but it's pretty cool
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern error prevented a loss in '14.
GOM.
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