Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.
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Kafer says "no doubt they [Wallabies] had a plan"
Without wanting to sound like I lack humility, but that is rubbish. I saw no plan from the Wallabies. Attack still sucked. Defensive alignment still slow to get in position.
Since the England series Kafer has been getting a little more shirty with his comments. He's a good commentator/analyst but now he's going down that well travelled trap that many a commentator has fallen into of wanting to be more than that. Expressing their faux outrage when there's nothing to see. Calling for laws to change, blaming refs/judiciaries/citing commissioners/hakas/mascots etc for poor results.
Rodney, if you're out there lurking, rise above the muck of where Kearns and Marto reside. Your Canberra Grammar education would've taught you a thing or two about when to shut up and focus on what's real and what's not. Yes a good rivalry with the All Blacks can help the game, but that comes because of competitive stuff on the field, not some beat up story that takes 5 minutes of your show.
All in my humble opinion of course.....
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@jegga said in Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.:
How weak would you have to be to take offence to the comments from Cane and Retallick? Love the clip of Retallick holding two of the wimps in yellow back at arms length.
It's not just the morons on Fox. You should have been on GNGR a few days ago, they were bleating like petulant school children over Cane and Retallick's comments.Couldn't believe what I was reading.
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That is really bizarre. Obviously not from Maaaaaaaaaaaaardddooo. That dickhead has form. But Kafer isn't usually like that.
What exactly was it that they said wrong or should have said?
"No I don't think their tactics were niggly and aggressive and they actually played really well and really smart rugby."
If they'd done that they would have been hammered for taking the piss or something.
This shit is taking a turn for the surreal.
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.:
Thats pretty disappointing, and honestly weird from Kafer. I see no problems with Cane & Retallicks points and wouldn't have a problem with the opposition saying it against us.
Throughout the super rugby season the show that Marto and Kaffer host has gone out of its way to praise NZ teams. It was a definite change in style to previous years.
In the last few weeks they have gone from overly positive to extremely negative. I suspect its ratings driven.
Those guys have to be cheerleaders for Australian rugby.. crowded market blah blah.. and it must be hard getting viewers in Australia when their team is genuinely bad.What would a casual Aussie rugby fan want to hear? How good we are or how evil we are?
I doubt either of the hosts really believe it
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.:
Thats pretty disappointing, and honestly weird from Kafer. I see no problems with Cane & Retallicks points and wouldn't have a problem with the opposition saying it against us.
Throughout the super rugby season the show that Marto and Kaffer host has gone out of its way to praise NZ teams. It was a definite change in style to previous years.
In the last few weeks they have gone from overly positive to extremely negative. I suspect its ratings driven.
Those guys have to be cheerleaders for Australian rugby.. crowded market blah blah.. and it must be hard getting viewers in Australia when their team is genuinely bad.What would a casual Aussie rugby fan want to hear? How good we are or how evil we are?
I doubt either of the hosts really believe it
I hear this old chestnut too many times. It's all for ratings huh?
Nothing to do with the realisation that the game is dwindling, most of Aus rugby seems to be lashing out at everything except themselves, their teams and their structures, so why not address those issues candidly? There's enough content on our Fixing Wallabies thread to fill a show
How's this divisive strategy working at gaining new followers?
And what sort of fans are you going to get appealing to that demographic?
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@Siam said in Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.:
Do Australians actually think the world doesn't scoff when they pontificate about winning graciously.
FFS it's like the yanks dispensing advice about eating properly
fluffybunnies'd win every gold at the hypocrite olympics
Yeah, for 20 long years all we ever heard from the Aussies and everyone else was about us choking when it really mattered, and now the hypocrites want to pick up on some harmless comments made by Cane and Retallick. And for Marto to go on about it is a bit rich, considering he spent most of his time as a commentator complaining about Richie being offside.
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.:
I'm sure it does help ratings. Lots of kiwis over there and a portion of them get all worked up by this silliness
Exactly. Ran into a couple of kiwis today and they were getting all worked about Kafer and Marto. 5 straight test losses this year and the producers will be searching for something as a bit of a filler. They do some genuine analysis throughout the show to keep it interesting, so might as well bring in a bit of "controversy".
But again after 5 losses they really are reaching.
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http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11705472
Sour grapes against ABs goes too far
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Thursday, 08 September 2016
The New Zealand HeraldSHARE:FacebookTwitterGoogle+EmailNZ All Blacks fullback Ben Smith. Photo / Brett Phibbs
Northern Hemisphere critics need reminding that it’s just a game.
By Bryan GouldBryan Gould is a New Zealand born former British MP and former vice-chancellor of Waikato University.
In sport, as in the rest of life, success is not always accompanied by applause and approbation. It can often attract resentment, envy and criticism. Rugby is no exception.
The unparalleled success enjoyed by the All Blacks over such a long period is most often greeted by sports fans around the world with praise, enjoyment and wonder. But there is always a substantial fringe of supposed rugby fans - usually from overseas - for whom that success is not to be celebrated for the skill and commitment it represents but is to be diminished and denigrated by those who cannot bear to see a team from another country garnering plaudits for its dominance.
Anyone with a stomach strong enough to read the readers' comments that are often published following match reports in overseas newspapers will have become inured to the spiteful and churlish attempts to devalue the All Blacks' performance. Many of these "rugby fans" profess to see in the ABs' exploits nothing more than a willingness to play dirty and break the rules, and when the authorities mysteriously fail to agree with them, they take refuge in another bolt hole - the All Blacks, they assert, enjoy some sort of miraculous immunity from the usual laws and penalties.
Most such comments can be dismissed without a moment's thought, since those making them are so manifestly lacking in any knowledge of the game or of its administration. But there are those who should, and do, know better, and who should be challenged when they persist in trying to make anything worth drinking from such sour grapes.
The most recent test match against the Wallabies, and the alleged "eye-gouging" by Owen Franks, provide a leading, and regrettable, example. We can perhaps excuse Michael Cheika, desperate for something - anything - to divert attention from yet another defeat, for his attempt to focus on the alleged incident; and we can certainly agree that the footage shown ad nauseam on our screens demonstrates that it is unwise to allow a hand to get anywhere near an opponent's face.
But what is less forgivable is the alacrity with which some professional commentators in the Northern Hemisphere jumped on the bandwagon, and enthusiastically supported a complaint that even the alleged victim did not wish, to his credit, to pursue.
One could almost hear the sighs of relief from a Stephen Jones or a Brian O'Driscoll that there was something about yet another All Black victory that might allow them to comment negatively rather than positively.
Commentators such as these have form. They are both renowned for grudges they bear against not only the All Blacks, but against the New Zealand rugby public and even the country itself. O'Driscoll at least has the excuse that he was the victim of a shockingly unfortunate accident in a Lions match when he was the tourists' captain.
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Where he goes beyond what is reasonable is his unwillingness to accept that his injury was caused unintentionally and was not the result of deliberate foul play, and that any complaint about his treatment should be laid at the door of the judiciary and not of New Zealand rugby. Instead, he has all too predictably used the Franks incident to re-ignite the charge that the All Blacks play dirty and have some special dispensation that allows them to get away with it.UK scribe Jones has no such excuse. As far as I know, the All Blacks and New Zealand have never done him an injury, either physical or metaphorical, but have instead treated him as a welcome guest when he has visited these shores. Yet the Sunday Times' experienced rugby correspondent has returned to the Lions' tour and the O'Driscoll accident in order to persuade his readers that the Franks episode is just the latest instance in a long-established pattern of All Blacks foul play, and blind eyes suffered not just by their opponents but by officials as well.
Jones' comments might easily be dismissed as an aberration if it were not for the animus he has displayed against the All Blacks over a long period.
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His relationship with Southern Hemisphere rugby has always been somewhat fractious, going back to the early days of Super Rugby which he dismissed as candy-floss, with little to commend it in terms of forward play or defensive rigour.As to what that animus might be based on, we can only speculate. The best bet seems to be that - to do him some sort of justice - he lives and feels his rugby so keenly that he literally cannot bear to see the teams he supports beaten so regularly and comprehensively by a team from a small and faraway country.
What he seems to seek is some sort of release or catharsis that allows him to excuse their defeats by attributing them to factors other than their own deficiencies or the merits of their All Blacks opponents.
The best advice we can offer him - and O'Driscoll, who famously lost every match he played against the All Blacks - is that it's just a game. It's just that the All Blacks are very good at it. And did Malakai Fekitoa ever get his boot back?
Raybon Kan's column will appear in tomorrow's Herald.
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http://www.thesilverfern.com/topic/993/cripple-fight-bryan-gould-has-a-go-at-the-walrus
