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<p>Conrad could expose defenses with his running though too. He was a very elusive runner and not so one dimensional. The reason Crotty does not get much love from the fern is because there is a reason we are hoping for better and think there is better out there with some nurturing. Heck I ready for BB to play 1st five and Cruden might soon be an after thought and I have no dislike for Cruden. I just think BB has become the man.</p>
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<p>The thing about Snakey was that from what I recall of him in 2004 when he first made the ABs was that he solid defensively and ran well off the shoulder of Umaga. These are both attributes Crotty has IMO. Snakey was in and out of the side throughout 2004-07 (only played 12 tests in 4 season) but then took on a more prominent role with ball in hand and as a distributor from 2008 and beyond. So for the next 7 seasons he was the main man and developed into a world class all round player. </p>
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<p>From my perspective the early signs from Crotty is that he can build to be that sort of player.</p>
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<p>I think Conrad has a bit over Crotty at this stage from what I have seen with ball in hand , I can see why the comparisons , but I think Conrad never really got the full credit for his slick hands , the perfectly timed pass to put a runner into the clear after drawing in defenders , he did it so regularly , I think we too it for granted </p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="606015" data-time="1471412559"><p>The thing about Snakey was that from what I recall of him in 2004 when he first made the ABs was that he solid defensively and ran well off the shoulder of Umaga. These are both attributes Crotty has IMO. Snakey was in and out of the side throughout 2004-07 (only played 12 tests in 4 season) but then took on a more prominent role with ball in hand and as a distributor from 2008 and beyond. So for the next 7 seasons he was the main man and developed into a world class all round player. <br>
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From my perspective the early signs from Crotty is that he can build to be that sort of player.</p></blockquote>
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<p>But in saying that , although conrad was a noted defender , I think crotty may end up being a better defensive player , with similar accuracy but a bit more robust </p>
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<p>Conrad was an awesome player, one of my favourites because he was fearless in defence and was a key man in helping to ignite our wingers and fullback with soft deft passing. But we really only saw that consistently from 2008 onwards IMO which coincided with him getting regular test playing time.</p>
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<p>All the rotating that saw Mils, Toeava, McAllister, Nonu, Umaga also play centre in that period suggests that the cartel weren't ready to settle on Conrad. Who knows why, but part of the reason could be is that he needed more time to develop his game (just like Nonu)</p> -
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<p>Conrad was an awesome player, one of my favourites because he was fearless in defence and was a key man in helping to ignite our wingers and fullback with soft deft passing. But we really only saw that consistently from 2008 onwards IMO which coincided with him getting regular test playing time.</p>
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<p>All the rotating that saw Mils, Toeava, McAllister, Nonu, Umaga also play centre in that period suggests that the cartel weren't ready to settle on Conrad. <strong>Who knows why,</strong> but part of the reason could be is that he needed more time to develop his game (just like Nonu)</p>
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<p>Because he kept getting injured so he never had a chance to settle into the role. His injury troubles subsided and he became a regular from then on. Mils and McAlister only really played centre in matches where Smith was injured or they felt he was too underdone fitnesswise (RWC 2007).</p> -
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<p>But in saying that , although conrad was a noted defender , I think crotty may end up being a better defensive player , with similar accuracy but a bit more robust </p>
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<p>I was with you up until this statement. You just blew your wad on that one. I'm hoping that Crotty is not around in a year.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="606019" data-time="1471413472"><p>But in saying that , although conrad was a noted defender , I think crotty may end up being a better defensive player , with similar accuracy but a bit more robust</p></blockquote>
See although Smith gets his dues on here I often think he's underrated in areas of his game due to perception. He wasn't small and was actually very robust IMO. Great at fronting up and making dominant, smothering tackles as well as hitting a weak shoulder on a straight line. -
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I was with you up until this statement. You just blew your wad on that one. I'm hoping that Crotty is not around in a year.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I think they'll go with:</p>
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<p>Crockett, Coles, Franks, Whitelock, Retallick, Kaino, Cane, Read, Smith, Cruden, Crotty, Fekitoa, Naholo, B. Smith, Dagg</p>
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<p>Moody/Hames, Harris, Faumuina, Tuipolotu, Savea, TKB, Barrett, ALB</p>
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<p>Barrett pushing Cruden hard, but I think they'll give this game to Cruden.</p> -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="akan004" data-cid="606086" data-time="1471428059"><p>Am picking a Wallaby win unfortunately. Too many question marks in our backline especially our midfield, and am not won over by Dagg and Noholo yet. Moody will also be a big loss if he can't be ready in time. Am really nervous about this game.</p></blockquote>
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Sure there may be question marks with our backline, but a reality check on where the Wallaby backline is at might be needed for you akan. <br><br>
Talk of Quade Cooper???<br>
Is Giteau, Toomua or Kerevi at 2nd 5<br>
Kurindrani has been pants at centre. They don't have a replacement other than moving their best player from fullback. <br>
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<p>Sure there may be question marks with our backline, but a reality check on where the Wallaby backline is at might be needed for you akan.<br><br>
Talk of Quade Cooper???<br>
Is Giteau, Toomua or Kerevi at 2nd 5<br>
Kurindrani has been pants at centre. They don't have a replacement other than moving their best player from fullback.<br>
Rob Horne still starts on the wing....</p>
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<p>Conrad was an awesome player, one of my favourites because he was fearless in defence and was a key man in helping to ignite our wingers and fullback with soft deft passing. But we really only saw that consistently from 2008 onwards IMO which coincided with him getting regular test playing time.</p>
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<p>All the rotating that saw Mils, Toeava, McAllister, Nonu, Umaga also play centre in that period suggests that the cartel weren't ready to settle on Conrad. Who knows why, but part of the reason could be is that he needed more time to develop his game (just like Nonu)</p>
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<p>Nepia pretty much nailed it but it was a tough sell to get him in before 2008. Those first four years kind of explain why he blossomed the way he did given the chance.</p>
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<p>I don't predict Crotty blossoms like Smith. Unless you sit down and look at Conrad's career you don't realise how little top level high performance rugby he played. He came in unconventionally (for an AB) out of Universities and the club scene:</p>
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<p>2003: Debuts ITM Cup.</p>
<p>2004: Full season.</p>
<p>2005: Full Super Season, spends rest of the year training with ABs and coming off the bench in dead rubbers. Released for a handful of ITM Cup games.</p>
<p>2006: Miss full Super Season. Handful of ITM games coming back from broken leg. 2 games on EOYT.</p>
<p>2007: 3/4 of a Super Season. Out until the last 3N game. Suitcase on RWC.</p>
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<p>It wasn't a matter of him not having enough time/experience at test level - it was that he hadn't had enough top flight rugby at any level. So once he started stringing together normal seasons and racking up the games at Super as well as AB level he really blossomed.</p>
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<p>Crotty has been in high performance environments since he was a schoolboy, played under 20s and has been largely uninjured his entire career. It would be difficult to find a soon-to-be 28 year old back in the world with more training miles under great tutelage, more first class fixtures and with exposure more exposure to quality coaching. Conrad I don't believe was in the NZRU set up proper until he was a 21/22 year old. The incremental value of finally getting a sustained, stable shot just isn't the same for Crotty in the way it was for Smith.</p>
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<p>I have often reflected that we lost in Cardiff in 2007 with a squad including Mauger, Nonu and Conrad, but went for Luke and Mils in midfield. Made more upsetting by fact Conrad played in 2006 Lyon test where ABs tore Frogs a new one. Water and bridges...</p>
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<p>I have often reflected that we lost in Cardiff in 2007 with a squad including Mauger, Nonu and Conrad, but went for Luke and Mils in midfield. Made more upsetting by fact Conrad played in 2006 Lyon test where ABs tore Frogs a new one. Water and bridges...</p>
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Smith was so undercooked he was a last resort option.</p>
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<p>Otherwise seems the A team as far as possible. Don't mind seeing Squire get a shot.</p>
