Highlanders V Brumbies Super Bang Bang quarter finals
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<p>Can't see the Brumbies winning this. Not on their form. Regardless of the weather I'll go along to watch the Clan destroy them.</p>
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<p>Write them off at your peril. Brums with PoBono are a far better side than without him. Knockout games at home- you're always in with a crack.</p> -
<p>gonna be a big ask for him to drag them up from the hole they dug themselves....how many weeks he been out? Although the forecast is rain, the Highlanders still seem to prefer an up tempo match, run him about.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="598324" data-time="1468997709">
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<p>To be fair, the Brumbies have seemed alright when Pocock has played, but rubbish without him. Job just got harder for the Clan.</p>
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<p>Has NZ rugby ever fallen for the Pocock factor? I wouldn't really say we have. Other countries certainly have. I think he's hugely respected but I'm not sure this article accurately captures the way NZ rugby views him.</p>
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<p>I don't think he's ever had the genuine effect on the game with us that he has with others. Maybe its time for that to bite me in the arse!</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MajorRage" data-cid="598326" data-time="1468998820"><p>Has NZ rugby ever fallen for the Pocock factor? I wouldn't really say we have. Other countries certainly have. I think he's hugely respected but I'm not sure this article accurately captures the way NZ rugby views him.<br><br>
I don't think he's ever had the genuine effect on the game with us that he has with others. Maybe its time for that to bite me in the arse!</p></blockquote>
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If you are taking test rugby, sure, the Wallabies with him haven't really "done much" to make NZers think twice about many of their players actually. <br><br>
But I guess at Super level he's had a big influence on games. That round 1 effort against the Canes a case in point where he was dominant. As Chris said he's missed rugby this year and the Brumbies have suffered. <br><br>
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<p>If you are taking test rugby, sure, the Wallabies with him haven't really "done much" to make NZers think twice about many of their players actually.</p>
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<p>I'll disagree.</p>
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<p>He is a sensational player, and adds massive amounts to the Wobbles. He has limitations - not a great ball runner, and not a great lineout forward. Also tends to look more for the turnover than play other facets, but what he does he does massively well.</p>
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<p>The problem with Pooper as a combo is that the lineout is weakened, and playing Pocock at 8 doesn't suit the sort of game he plays. </p>
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<p>That said, you can see how much the team misses him. He is genuinely world class, and while we nullify a lot of his ability when we play well, there is no doubting how good he is. At times he seems to have inherited the cloak of invisibility from McCaw.</p> -
<p>Not really the point I'm making, nzzp. I have no doubt about the ability of the player.</p>
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<p>I just personally don't look at an Aussie team sheet that differently if he's on it like the above article seems to think - I guess mainly because I've always thought that we've handled him quite well. Sure, he gets a few turnovers but against us, i've never really noticed him turn a game on his own. Plenty of other Aussie players - George Smith, Steve Larkham etc - I've been much more wary of.</p>
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<p>I've also not seen the column inches in NZ dedicated to Pocock (for rugby related reasons, at least), that I remember seeing for Smith, Larkham (amongst others).</p> -
<p>Brumbies:</p>
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<div>1. Scott Sio</div>
<div>2. Stephen Moore (c)</div>
<div>3. Ruan Smith</div>
<div>4. Blake Enever</div>
<div>5. Sam Carter</div>
<div>6. Scott Fardy</div>
<div>7. David Pocock</div>
<div>8. Jarrad Butler</div>
<div>9. Tomás Cubelli</div>
<div>10. Christian Lealiifano (c)</div>
<div>11. Robbie Coleman</div>
<div>12. Matt Toomua</div>
<div>13. Tevita Kuridrani</div>
<div>14. Nigel Ah Wong</div>
<div>15. Aidan Toua</div>
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<div>Reserves</div>
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<div>16. Josh Mann-Rea</div>
<div>17. Allan Alaalatoa</div>
<div>18. Leslie Leulua’iali’i-Makin</div>
<div>19. Tom Staniforth</div>
<div>20. Michael Wells</div>
<div>21. Joe Powell</div>
<div>22. Andrew Smith</div>
<div>23. James Dargaville</div>
<div>24. Lausii Taliauli</div>
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<div>(one to be omitted)</div>
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<div><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.brumbies.com.au/2016/07/brumbies-name-side-quarter-final-showdown-highlanders/'>https://www.brumbies.com.au/2016/07/brumbies-name-side-quarter-final-showdown-highlanders/</a></div> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="nzzp" data-cid="598347" data-time="1469006780"><p>I'll disagree.<br><br>
He is a sensational player, and adds massive amounts to the Wobbles. He has limitations - not a great ball runner, and not a great lineout forward. Also tends to look more for the turnover than play other facets, but what he does he does massively well.<br>
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The problem with Pooper as a combo is that the lineout is weakened, and playing Pocock at 8 doesn't suit the sort of game he plays. <br><br>
That said, you can see how much the team misses him. He is genuinely world class, and while we nullify a lot of his ability when we play well, there is no doubting how good he is. At times he seems to have inherited the cloak of invisibility from McCaw.</p></blockquote>
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I don't doubt his ability and I also think he is an excellent player. And yes an Aussie side with Pocock is better than one without. <br><br>
But I just don't think he has the gravitas with the NZ public that other Aussie players have had over the years. Even the Evil Wizard had more. Then of course Gregan, Eales, Campo, Horan, Bernie, Burkey have caused more trips to the local psych for many NZers..., -
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<p>Write them off at your peril. Brums with PoBono are a far better side than without him. Knockout games at home- you're always in with a crack.</p>
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<p>Congrats on pointing out the self evident truth that a team in a knockout final has a chance. The Brumbies have look stifled and bereft of imagination on attack., Pocock's not the sort of player that's going to fix that issue.</p>
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<p>I'll disagree.</p>
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<p>He is a sensational player, and adds massive amounts to the Wobbles. He has limitations - not a great ball runner, and not a great lineout forward. </p>
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<p>When you say not great, you mean shit?</p> -
Missing Ben Alexander and Rory Arnold in the pack. Butler is a bit of a journeyman at 8. Fairly toothless back three without Tomane or Speight. Bench looks a little uninspiring.<br><br>
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<p>I definitely look at an Aussie team with Pocock in it with more trepidation. He can be nullified, but the All Blacks need to actively focus on doing that, and when they don't he keeps Australia in the game.</p>
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<p>He's not the best player in the world, but he is absolutely exceptional at one particular skill that can really disrupt the teams he's playing against.</p> -
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<p>I definitely look at an Aussie team with Pocock in it with more trepidation. He can be nullified, but the All Blacks need to actively focus on doing that, and when they don't he keeps Australia in the game.</p>
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<p>He's not the best player in the world, but he is absolutely exceptional at one particular skill that can really disrupt the teams he's playing against.</p>
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<p>When he is one of their few quality forwards, then he can be stopped and disrupted. The problem is if the depth chart starts to stack up for them, then it gets tough. Stop Pocock, and others make hay. It's the Jonah effect all over again - defences may stop him, but that opens up space everywhere else. </p>
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<p>Congrats on pointing out the self evident truth that a team in a knockout final has a chance. The Brumbies have look stifled and bereft of imagination on attack., Pocock's not the sort of player that's going to fix that issue.</p>
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<p>The point I'm making is they are more than just a chance. Playing knockout games at home means even with a crap attack, the Brums could very readily get up and win this, By comparison, play at a neutral or Highlanders venue, I'd say a very low chance of winning.</p> -
<p>I'm interested in the last two lines. The Brumbies' main attacking weapon is the maul, and they are all but admitting they have a lock acting as a blocker, and actively train for it. That's an astounding thing to say going in to a game. </p>
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<p>it's only accidental though...everytime, I suppose.</p>
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<p>oh, no worries then....</p>
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<p>Interesting changes in for the Highlanders, Luke Whitelock moves from no8 to lock, where he played when Squire came on last weekend. While Shane Christie returns to the openside.</p>
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<p>I think the selection of Luke Whitelock at lock is a clear indication the Highlanders are going to attempt to run the Brumbies all over the park.</p>
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<p>There shouldn't be a lot lost lineout wise either, Squire can move into the middle, while Dixon is always camped at the front of the lineout, so Whitelock can jump at the back.</p>
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<p>Interesting as well, that they have reverted to a 5/3 split on the bench, after having six forwards on the bench against the Chiefs. Although I fully expect Aaron Smith and Sopoaga to play full games.</p>
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<p>Don't need 6 forwards on the bench when you have 4 loosies starting that all can play 80 minutes if needed. Good to have Christie back in the side.</p>
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<p>Looks to be showers for most of tomorrow in Canberra, but a mild temperature of 17. The wind is always a factor out in Bruce particularly for the fans sitting in the icy wind tunnel!</p>
