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christians have massacred muslims in the last couple of years in africa mate, it's not about the crusades.</p></blockquote>
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Give it a rest. If 2 Catholics (or God forbid Jews) did this to an Imam in France or most Western countries all manner of shit would go down. You cannot deny that. -
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<p>France probably has a lot more musilms than the UK.</p>
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<p>I'm quite surprised that there haven't been any reprisals yet. France has a large far-right population.</p>
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<p>respective numbers don't appear to be clear-cut.</p>
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<p>avoiding reprisals, which would obviously do nothing positive and a lot of damage, is just one of the reasons for the measured language sensible leaders choose.</p>
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<p>Give it a rest. If 2 Catholics (or God forbid Jews) did this to an Imam in France or most Western countries all manner of shit would go down. You cannot deny that.</p>
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<p>give what a rest, facts? </p>
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<p>exactly what shit would go down that has not in this situation? you can't think anyone would blame the religion? </p> -
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<p>give what a rest, facts? </p>
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<p>exactly what shit would go down that has not in this situation? you can't think anyone would blame the religion? </p>
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<p>So western christians are going to africa and driving trucks into crowds or gunning down people at concerts? I missed all that, got a link?</p> -
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<p>So western christians are going to africa and driving trucks into crowds or gunning down people at concerts? I missed all that, got a link?</p>
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<p>what has western got to do with it, i thought we were talking about religion as a cause? oh...</p> -
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<p>what has western got to do with it, i thought we were talking about religion as a cause? oh...</p>
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<p>Because you bought up christians killing muslims in africa . </p> -
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give what a rest, facts? <br><br>
exactly what shit would go down that has not in this situation? you can't think anyone would blame the religion?</p></blockquote>
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<p>Because you bought up christians killing muslims in africa . </p>
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<p>african christians killing african muslims. not on the telly so much.</p>
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<p>you will probably disagree completely with this statement, but to be honest i don't think you and i are miles apart on this topic. people from 3rd world war-torn countries are going to cause problems if they are let in to european nations en masse without a very thorough vetting process (which probably verges on the impossible). many times more so when the countries letting them in are viewed by them as being to blame for their own countries being totally fucked. </p>
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<p>i just don't think religion has that much to do with that, that's why i'm using those examples. i am sure that it is not helpful to alienate peaceful muslims anywhere by blaming their religion, and certainly not 1st world western muslims as they are our allies in this.</p>
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<p>i post this shit, and it seems like some of you fellas see me as some sort of rabid leftie - but i'm not. i just think the situation is more complicated than 'muslims are violent because the koran written thousands of years ago says violent shit'. iraq and afghanistan being a big part of that.</p> -
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<p>Now you're just taking the piss.</p>
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<p>nah, i'm actually not - maybe i'm just being thick but not sure what you're talking about.</p>
<p>in your hypothetical situation, nobody in the media would blame catholicism. the pope would come out and say 'not real catholics' and condemn it, just like western muslim leaders do. those western muslim leaders would, i am sure, be at pains to point out that it wasn't indicative of the whole christian population. </p>
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<p>or are you saying that there would be revenge attacks from muslim members of the public and/or isis? because these psychos already think what they are doing are revenge attacks.</p> -
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<p>african christians killing african muslims. not on the telly so much.</p>
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<p>you will probably disagree completely with this statement, but to be honest i don't think you and i are miles apart on this topic. people from 3rd world war-torn countries are going to cause problems if they are let in to european nations en masse without a very thorough vetting process (which probably verges on the impossible). many times more so when the countries letting them in are viewed by them as being to blame for their own countries being totally fucked. </p>
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<p>i just don't think religion has that much to do with that, that's why i'm using those examples. i am sure that it is not helpful to alienate peaceful muslims anywhere by blaming their religion, and certainly not 1st world western muslims as they are our allies in this.</p>
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<p>i post this shit, and it seems like some of you fellas see me as some sort of rabid leftie - but i'm not. i just think the situation is more complicated than 'muslims are violent because the koran written thousands of years ago says violent shit'. iraq and afghanistan being a big part of that.</p>
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<p>Most of africa is in an awful state of some sort and you could easily fill the 6 o clock news covering the terrible shit people do to each other there. Most people can't be bothered giving a shit any more so the news doesn't cover it.</p>
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<p>Islam <strong>and</strong> the abhorrent culture in north africa are the reason these people are doing this shit to the west. </p> -
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<p>respective numbers don't appear to be clear-cut.</p>
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<p>avoiding reprisals, which would obviously do nothing positive and a lot of damage, is just one of the reasons for the measured language sensible leaders choose.</p>
<p>aka appeasement, i guess. </p>
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<p>I read an article last night that suggested there has been greater integration in England whereas the populations in French cities tend to be more self contained and out on the fringes</p> -
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<p>Because you bought up christians killing muslims in africa . </p>
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<p>Do they have to be white Christians or don't black Christians count?</p> -
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<p>Do they have to be white Christians or don't black Christians count?</p>
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<p>If they are christians from europe odds are that they are white.</p> -
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<p>christians have massacred muslims in the last couple of years in africa mate, it's not about the crusades.</p>
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<p>Read his post, he does not specify Western Christians from Europe and only mentions the crusades in response to Rancid's reference to them</p> -
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<p>Because you bought up christians killing muslims in africa . </p>
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<p>Well.. Live Aid was basically Bob Geldof organising a concert to provide aid to a Christian Ethiopian government to carry out genocide on its remaining Muslim population. Its not really discussed much in the West because of, well, Queen were outstanding at that concert, but its pretty well known in the horn of Africa. Christians literally killed millions of Muslims - with a nice Live Aid record helping.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/'>http://www.spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/</a></p>
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<p>“Western governments and humanitarian groups like Live Aid are fueling an operation that will be described with hindsight in a few years time as one of the greatest slaughters in the history of the twentieth century,†says Dr. Claude Malhuret, whose relief agency, Medicins sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders), has been kicked out of Ethiopia for speaking up against “the most massive violations of human rights we have seen in recent Ò¯ears.â€</p>
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<p>The irony is its not really that well known, even in hindsight. And Bob has a knighthood. And the christians doing the killings were black.</p> -
<p>Back in the cold war days communism was the banner that many disaffected peoples got behind, Islam is just the current fashionable ideology, but like communism it is merely a vehicle for scumbags like the caliphate to advance their position and recruit willing souls. Ignoring the religion and looking at the complex geopolitical situation what pisses me off is the fact that the West will wage this war against terror and muslims yet they turn a blind eye to the two greatest benefactors of muslim extremism in the world, namely Saudi and Qatar. Even ISIS and the caliphate pale in comparison to all of the pie those countries have their hands in. All of the special treatment received by the Saudi royals straight after 9/11, the lack of visible pressure being brought to be despite the fact that so many of the fighters flocking to Afghanistan were.... Saudi? </p>
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<p>Most of africa is in an awful state of some sort and you could easily fill the 6 o clock news covering the terrible shit people do to each other there. Most people can't be bothered giving a shit any more so the news doesn't cover it.</p>
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<p>Islam <strong>and</strong> the abhorrent culture in north africa are the reason these people are doing this shit to the west. </p>
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<p>true jegga, but i reckon the fact that much of christian africa is just as fucked and violent suggests that specific religion as a causative is less significant. here's an excerpt from a guardian article 2014 on the central african republic: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge</a></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">Muslims came here to trade in the early 19th century and made up 15% of the CAR's population a year ago, but since then untold thousands have been killed or displaced or have fled to neighbouring countries. The UN said last week that while 130,000 to 145,000 Muslims normally lived in the capital, Bangui, the population had been reduced to around 10,000 in December and now stood at just 900.</span></p>
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<p>that's fucked, it's ethnic cleansing, but hey the new testament is peaceful. imagine the shitstorm if etc etc.</p>
<p>plenty of people want to treat islam as the sole cause, which is (i think), obviously wrong and risks alienating those who can help, and exacerbating an 'us vs them' situation which is only going to make things worse - if we're going to blame islam, then we will make it worse unless we follow it up by nuking the whole lot of them.</p> -
Reprobate, my original post was:<br><br>
Behold the rabid response from Catholics in France and around the world to this horrific act. Or not...<br><br>
Can you imagine the shit storm if 2 Catholic "lone wolves" beheaded an Imam in a mosque? There would be absolute carnage. But yeah, they're all just as bad because Crusades."<br><br>
So it was of course about the response from Muslims which would, as mentioned, be pretty farking apocalyptic. But at least the press would have no problems stating their religion or speculating about their motives or probably writing polemics about Catholicism. See it's not racist or bigoted if you bash "western" religions. -
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<p>true jegga, but i reckon the fact that much of christian africa is just as fucked and violent suggests that specific religion as a causative is less significant. here's an excerpt from a guardian article 2014 on the central african republic: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge</a></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">Muslims came here to trade in the early 19th century and made up 15% of the CAR's population a year ago, but since then untold thousands have been killed or displaced or have fled to neighbouring countries. The UN said last week that while 130,000 to 145,000 Muslims normally lived in the capital, Bangui, the population had been reduced to around 10,000 in December and now stood at just 900.</span></p>
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<p>that's fucked, it's ethnic cleansing, but hey the new testament is peaceful. imagine the shitstorm if etc etc.</p>
<p>plenty of people want to treat islam as the sole cause, which is (i think), obviously wrong and risks alienating those who can help, and exacerbating an 'us vs them' situation which is only going to make things worse - if we're going to blame islam, then we will make it worse unless we follow it up by nuking the whole lot of them.</p>
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<p>As awful as that is I don't really see any relevance from that to islamic terrorists in europe . The comparisons between Islam and christianity are irrelevant to me too, thats just a pointless distraction from the real issue.</p>