All Blacks v Wales Test #3
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<p>An Sbw Moala Midfield will be an interesting one at the Blues next season </p>
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If only we had Piutau at 11 would be the complete back 3. Barrett made a very very persuasive case yesterday. He even kicked well
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Wales were so poor I feel both tamanivalu and fekitoa would have looked just as good as moala did. One of his breaks was exploiting a mismatch against the hooker ken something or other. That's not "brilliant", its expected of a back. Notwithstanding i did think moala played well and took his chance but we can all see his limitations. <br><br>
Barrett was sensational on attack and the counter, his pace and eye for the gap is staggering. He needs to prove to the coaches he's not just a flat track bully, but getting starts against straya and the boks this year will be hard to come by. He got a crack in '14 after cruden missed the bird to BA but fell short. He's great to watch though. -
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<p>Wales were so poor I feel both tamanivalu and fekitoa would have looked just as good as moala did. One of his breaks was exploiting a mismatch against the hooker ken something or other. That's not "brilliant", its expected of a back. Notwithstanding i did think moala played well and took his chance but we can all see his limitations.<br><br>
Barrett was sensational on attack and the counter, his pace and eye for the gap is staggering. He needs to prove to the coaches he's not just a flat track bully, but getting starts against straya and the boks this year will be hard to come by. He got a crack in '14 after cruden missed the bird to BA but fell short. He's great to watch though.</p>
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<p>how are your first and second paragraph matching up? Barrett was sensational, but Moala's breaks are expected of a back? Give some credit where it's due, Moala has shown in SR that he is a great linebreaker</p> -
<p>Bit late to the thread but that seemed to be a more complete performance from the ABs.</p>
<p>Great seeing Dagg back to his best. Proved a lot of people wrong tonight. Him and B Smith were dangerous together.</p>
<p>Newer guys all went well.</p>
<p>Liked what I saw from Moala, just needs to look to put others away if it is the better option. Pity he got injured. I said it before the game but still surprised they picked seta ahead of him in the original squad. Especially given the wing injuries.</p>
<p>Dixon went ok. Not a huge impact but had a couple of runs. Squire was good when he came on. Similar running style to read where he gets a run up and charges forward.</p>
<p>Wonder if swapping those to around would be a better option if Kaino wasn't available ie. Squire starting and Dixon to bring a bit more pace off the bench. However I guess this scenario would require two loosies on the bench because Ardie is probably first choice bench loose forward for now.</p>
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<p>BB went well. His goal kicking was pretty good and I definitely noticed a lot more distance on his punts. Maybe his poor clearing from the 22 in recent times is more about prioritising getting the ball into touch rather than gaining max distance. It's a fine balance because like Beaver found out years ago. You can let a booming punt go but if it doesn't find touch you can still be in the shit (and get crucified for it).</p>
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<p>As others have said Cane didn't have his best game but should be better next time.</p>
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<p>Moving forward into the year I would hope Ngatai gets back to fitness, Seta dropping out with Moala taking his spot. SBW in if he is available with DMac dropping out. Getting closer and closer between BB and Cruden for the starting 10 spot. Still not sure BB has overtaken Cruden but might not be long.</p>
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Dagg again excellent. I'm not sure I get the argument that Ben Smith HAS to be at fullback - Dagg on full form like he is at the moment has some wonderful abilities, and probably some areas where he is possibly even better than Smith (defensive high ball take, punting distance) - and Ben Smith is an exceptional winger - an argument could be made he's an even better test winger than fullback - plus they have an excellent combo so they should keep rolling with Dagg 15 Ben Smith 14 in my opinion.<br>
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I'll bite on that one. I think was a fair argument but probably less so now. Smith was the form Super rugby full back for past 6 seasons, best full back in the world for the past 3 or 4, at full back he gets more touches and is in a better position to manage the back line, allowed Barret to come on for impact without major reshuffle, Dagg had been poor since 2013. Flip side now is that are wings are struggling, Smith might be best right wing in the world, Dagg is finally able to mix up his running and kicking game again. I still think Ben Smith has better decision making at 15 than Dagg and rarely takes the wrong option but if Dagg maintains this level of play and our other wings remain underwhelming having Smith , Barrett and Dagg on the field at the same time sounds pretty good. -
<p>I'm happy for them to choose fb based on conditions. Thought Ben Smith was close to sensational in the RWC but as he moves to wing etc when BB comes on (unless BB seals the 10 spot) it seems to be fine as long as he is on the field (but preferably not midfield).</p>
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how are your first and second paragraph matching up? Barrett was sensational, but Moala's breaks are expected of a back? Give some credit where it's due, Moala has shown in SR that he is a great linebreaker</p></blockquote>
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Not only that but also, at least one of Barrett's breaks he went around a front rower. -
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<p>Wales were so poor I feel both tamanivalu and fekitoa would have looked just as good as moala did. One of his breaks was exploiting a mismatch against the hooker ken something or other. That's not "brilliant", its expected of a back. Notwithstanding i did think moala played well and took his chance but we can all see his limitations.<br><br>
Barrett was sensational on attack and the counter, his pace and eye for the gap is staggering. He needs to prove to the coaches he's not just a flat track bully, but getting starts against straya and the boks this year will be hard to come by. He got a crack in '14 after cruden missed the bird to BA but fell short. He's great to watch though.</p>
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<p>Haha you really don't like Moala do you? A lot of your posts have been critical of Moala.</p> -
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<p>Wales were so poor I feel both tamanivalu and fekitoa would have looked just as good as moala did. One of his breaks was exploiting a mismatch against the hooker ken something or other. That's not "brilliant", its expected of a back. Notwithstanding i did think moala played well and took his chance but we can all see his limitations.<br><br>
Barrett was sensational on attack and the counter, his pace and eye for the gap is staggering. He needs to prove to the coaches he's not just a flat track bully, but getting starts against straya and the boks this year will be hard to come by. He got a crack in '14 after cruden missed the bird to BA but fell short. He's great to watch though.</p>
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<p>how are your first and second paragraph matching up? Barrett was sensational, but Moala's breaks are expected of a back? Give some credit where it's due, Moala has shown in SR that he is a great linebreaker</p>
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<p>Ok. You've convinced me to give some credit to him. Hang on, I already did - "Notwithstanding i did think moala played well and took his chance"</p> -
<p>probably shoulda added the caveat to your praise of BB too then....?</p>
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<p>Haha you really don't like Moala do you? A lot of your posts have been critical of Moala.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure whether it's "a lot [of my] posts" - this will be my 105th according to the counter , and I can't recall dozens and dozens of anti-Moala posts. Maybe one or two expressing reservations about him along the lines of his weakness being his distribution and some of his decision making post-break, which he displayed again on Saturday night along with many positives. If you make a break and then the team don't capitalise because you commit an error or make a wrong decision, then that's disappointing.</p>
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<p>Moala is a very good line breaker (fatty in front of him or not) and has pretty good feet. He carved up Jonathan Davies in that line break in first half injury time from deep in our half. As I said before, he played well and took his chance. Of course I cannot forecast how another player would have done in his position in the same circumstances but I just think he was served up the proverbial armchair ride by the team's lift in performance (in comparison to the previous two weeks) and Wales' exhausted display. We were carving Wales up at will and Barrett and Dagg also made several breaks.</p>
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<p>Moala's definitely in the mix for the RC squad and well done to him.</p> -
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<p>probably shoulda added the caveat to your praise of BB too then....?</p>
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<p>Don't worry TR, Barrett came in for some of my special brand of damning praise too. I stated he risked being seen as a flat track bully for beating up on Wales.</p> -
<p>Thought Dixon's comments post-game were interesting. Said he felt fine on defense, but on attack he struggled to keep up, found himself out of position a bit. Think that shows the pace the All Blacks play the game - Wales play more like a SR team but the ABs are on a level above. IMO A Smith is the main reason for that, his speed to the ball and fast decision making are out of this world, I can imagine it would be hard to keep up playing alongside him, let alone trying to defend against it.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure whether it's "a lot [of my] posts" - this will be my 105th according to the counter , and I can't recall dozens and dozens of anti-Moala posts. Maybe one or two expressing reservations about him along the lines of his weakness being his distribution and some of his decision making post-break, which he displayed again on Saturday night along with many positives. If you make a break and then the team don't capitalise because you commit an error or make a wrong decision, then that's disappointing.</p>
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<p>Moala is a very good line breaker (fatty in front of him or not) and has pretty good feet. He carved up Jonathan Davies in that line break in first half injury time from deep in our half. As I said before, he played well and took his chance. <strong>Of course I cannot forecast how another player would have done in his position in the same circumstances </strong>but I just think he was served up the proverbial armchair ride by the team's lift in performance (in comparison to the previous two weeks) and Wales' exhausted display. We were carving Wales up at will and Barrett and Dagg also made several breaks.</p>
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<p>Moala's definitely in the mix for the RC squad and well done to him.</p>
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<p>Well Fekitoa and Taminuvula didn't do as well, I guess that was just circumstances conspiring against them though rather than Moala actually doing good.</p> -
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<p>nothing, he just added fuck all, in stark contrast to his competitor PT.</p>
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<p>fuck you are precious about Canterbury players</p>
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<p>Re Romano</p>
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<p>He made Ofa T look good at scrum time
that's not easy to do</p>
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<p>Re Romano</p>
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<p>He made Ofa T look good at scrum time that's not easy to do</p>
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<p>but agree, PT is the better impact sub</p>
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<p>In seriousness though, I suspect that was a big factor in the decision, plus to give all locks game time. Over the course of the series Romano probably only played 15-20 minutes more than PT.</p>
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<p>Whilst I think PT has provided superb impact off the bench and it's an amazing story his comeback, I'm also of the view that there's no need to rush him. Play the 30 yo and use his experience where necessary. PT is only 23. The guy has a good 8-9 years of test footy ahead of him. </p> -
<p>I also don't think there is any need to rush Tuipulotu, but the selectors seem to view the bench as their own positions now. For example, Beauden Barrett is pretty much a specialist supersub (though whether this will continue is debatable - though I think it should and will). Same goes for Charlie Faumuina. I think, if you pick the squad with the specialist bench lock position in mind, then you have to go for Tuipulotu.</p>
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<p>Another alternative is two loosies (Squire and Savea?) with Read going to lock. However, this perhaps leaves us a bit light on experience in the loose forwards, and they didn't try it out against Wales, so I wouldn't expect it for the RC.</p> -
<p>which begs the question, if BB claims the 10 jersey, does that push Cruden out or does he have a role as Impact player from the bench?</p>
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<div>As others have said Cane didn't have his best game but should be better next time.
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<p>Cane seemed to be trying to impose himself at the rucks a la Richie in the first half - like Richie he risked being penalised and he was - hence the yellow. Thought he came on strong once he was back on the field, lovely pass to Dane Coles, and the steal before Dagg's final strolling try. And he makes a lot of strong tackles (as do a fair few of the forwards). I sense a growing force on the internet for Ardie Savea but they really needed to start him in one of these games if they are thinking of throwing him into a RC match as starter.</p>
