RIP Muhammad Ali
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<p>I was taking a taxi to the airport and saw "Muhammed Ali has died" come up on my phone. Told the driver and he thought at first that his mate Muhammed had died. True story.</p>
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<p>Ali V "Big Cat" Williams was the first thing I wanted to watch when I heard the news. My old man and I would always watched the old fights when I was a kid and watching Ali toy with Williams was enjoying an athlete in the finest of form, regardless of the sport. Williams was a power puncher who liked to trap his opponent in the corner. Problem was that Ali was dancing in and around him so Williams got desperate and started chasing Ali. The result? Three knock-downs, the final one creating this famous shot:</p>
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<p>Sure, the middleweight and welterweight divisions have the true boxers, but Ali was one of the first heavyweights who possessed the same speed and skill as those guys. His comments and views about the Vietnam war (and the overall civil rights movement) are what makes him a legend however.</p>
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<p>You won't get any disagreement from me about his boxing ability but I don't see how his views on civil rights should make him a legend?</p> -
<p>Because of the implications of having those views in times he lived in, and how he used his fame, talent and charisma to focus on civil rights?</p>
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I think what also gets overlooked a lot is that underneath the bravado, swagger and silky skills was the fact that he was one tough bastard. He could soak up punishment like no other. To execute the rope a dope with Foreman took a lot of courage and a fair bit of intestinal fortitude. In the "Fight" by Norman Mailer he talks of Ali pissing blood for days after the contest.<br><br>
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<p>I think what also gets overlooked a lot is that underneath the bravado, swagger and silky skills was the fact that he was one tough bastard. He could soak up punishment like no other. To execute the rope a dope with Foreman took a lot of courage and a fair bit of intestinal fortitude. In the "Fight" by Norman Mailer he talks of Ali pissing blood for days after the contest.<br><br>
Ultimately his courage probably led to his downfall but I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted it any other way.</p>
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<p>And at the end of the day , that may have been his downfall , </p>
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<p>In the early years , he was so slick he never got hit flush , but that changed at the end, </p>
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<p>And his sparring sessions have become legendary , where he would line up a heap of fresh sparring partners for long sessions,sometimes would do 15 rounds with a fresh sparring partner for each round, and basically cop too much punishment , he was of the belief he could absorb pain like no other fighter </p> -
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<p>And at the end of the day , that may have been his downfall , </p>
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<p>In the early years , he was so slick he never got hit flush , but that changed at the end, </p>
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<p>And his sparring sessions have become legendary , where he would line up a heap of fresh sparring partners for long sessions,sometimes would do 15 rounds with a fresh sparring partner for each round, and basically cop too much punishment , he was of the belief he could <strong>absorb pain like no other fighter </strong></p>
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<p>I reckon that's debatable. Rocky Marciano, Jim Jeffries and our own Tuaman were like walking slabs of granite.</p> -
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<p>I reckon that's debatable. Rocky Marciano, Jim Jeffries and our own Tuaman were like walking slabs of granite.</p>
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<p>But they didn't give the lip like he did even when being smashed.</p>
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<div>“I'll beat him so bad he'll need a shoehorn to put his hat on.â€</div>
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<p>But they didn't give the lip like he did even when being smashed.</p>
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<div>“I'll beat him so bad he'll need a shoehorn to put his hat on.â€</div>
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<div>“If you even dream of beating me, you'd better wake up and apologize.â€</div>
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<p>Well yeah but that's not what I'm debating, no denying he was the best raconteur in boxing ( if not all sports ) history.</p> -
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<p>I like the stare between Ali and Liston at 0.33-0.35 in the ring after Ali had just beaten Liston in the rematch.</p> -
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I reckon that's debatable. Rocky Marciano, Jim Jeffries and our own Tuaman were like walking slabs of granite.</p></blockquote>
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George Chuvalo hands down for me -
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<p>George Chuvalo hands down for me</p>
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<p>Great call, completely forgot him but don't reckon it's completely unanimous.....knockout loss to Ali notwithstanding George Foreman is another.</p> -
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I reckon that's debatable. Rocky Marciano, Jim Jeffries and our own Tuaman were like walking slabs of granite.</p></blockquote>
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<p>If you watch the rumble Ali hit Foreman alot - whenever George took a sec break Ali landed super fast combos totally flummoxing him. Foreman couldn't believe he was getting hit by lead rights.</p>
<p>Its not only about taking punishment with Ali, yes Tua could take a punch but how many times could Tua take punches and win the fight on points...thats the difference there.</p> -
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<p>If you watch the rumble Ali hit Foreman alot - whenever George took a sec break Ali landed super fast combos totally flummoxing him. Foreman couldn't believe he was getting hit by lead rights.</p>
<p>Its not only about taking punishment with Ali, yes Tua could take a punch but <strong>how many times could Tua take punches and win the fight on points...thats the difference there.</strong></p>
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<p>No comparison there, night and day. Ali was never a big hitter but he hit so fast and so much cleaner and better.....</p> -
<p>Watched a tribute show hosted by Michael Parkinson yesterday on Channel ten in Australia</p>
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<p>As Mick above alluded to, typically Parkinson didn't drop the ball and had a "greatest hits" tribute of Ali and Parkinsons interviews over the years - 3 interviews spanning about 12 years - in the can for the inevitable passing away.</p>
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<p>Thing is, for me, Ali has sort of been passed away for the last 20-25 years, in that his diseases have left him unable to contribute any speeches, opinions or words of wisdom. All the Ali footage we have which shaped him as the greatest boxer and orator ended in the 80's and even the 96 torch lighting ceremony in Atlanta showed a mute Ali.</p>
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<p>For that reason the Parkinson interviews are a great receptacle to try to understand the great man and some of the stories and his storytelling make this tribute really worthwhile watching. And it doesn't have the usual fucking faff that other tributes have</p>
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<p>Sorry I can only find these links at the moment, not the tribute per se but amazing insights to the man</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/muhammad-alis-most-memorable-tv-8112488'>http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/muhammad-alis-most-memorable-tv-8112488</a></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Muhammad+Ali+on+Parkinson+1971+full+interview+Part+'>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Muhammad+Ali+on+Parkinson+1971+full+interview+Part+</a></p> -
My father, like many others, was a huge Ali fan and coming from a boxing family his name came up a lot. But away from the ring the guy was just a good human. Thats what made him great. He just wanted equality for all and the world is so much better for having him in it. Im over this year. Take a break Death youve done enough.<br><br>
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<p>My father, like many others, was a huge Ali fan and coming from a boxing family his name came up a lot. But away from the ring the guy was just a good human. Thats what made him great. He just wanted equality for all and the world is so much better for having him in it. Im over this year. Take a break Death youve done enough.<br><br>
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<p>Him beating George Foreman probably made the latter such a good bloke too in a funny way. Read an article in which they quoted Foreman, he's the last of that big three now.</p> -
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Great call, completely forgot him but don't reckon it's completely unanimous.....knockout loss to Ali notwithstanding George Foreman is another.</p></blockquote>
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Chuval went the distance with Ali twice didn't he?<br><br>
I've watched those fights a few times, fuck he's hard. Never knocked down in an extensive amateur career and the pros, not even in sparing.<br><br>
Agree though, it's hardly unanimous. ESPN did a list of the greatest chins in boxing history, it's a good read .<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3184174">http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3184174</a> -
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