It's Hammerlander time
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<p>you forgot the shirt with collar turned up :)</p>
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<p>Is this why so many off cut Cantab rugby players wind up in HB, they don't have to buy a new wardrobe?</p> -
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<p>Is this why so many off cut Cantab rugby players wind up in HB, they don't have to buy a new wardrobe?</p>
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<p>Quick witted joke and a plug for Hawkes Bay.</p>
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<p>Nepias entire TSF contribution summed up in one post :hi:</p> -
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<p>Quick witted joke and a plug for Hawkes Bay.</p>
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<p>Nepias entire TSF contribution summed up in one post :hi:</p>
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<p>you forgot anti-cantab :)</p> -
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Lies I'm in shorts and jandals today.</p></blockquote>
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<p>In order to do that you need to sign someone to a sketchy one year contract like we have. But surely you would be better off signing a Scott Robertson or David Hewitt to a multi year contracts, instead of promoting an assistant for one year like we have, in the hope of getting a coach like Schmidt, with a bailout option of Mark Hammett.</p>
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@nepia said in It's Hammerlander time:
@rocky-rockbottom Already posted it in the NH Clubs thread.
@Chris-B seems to be off the grid as his shield wall hasn't arisen as yet.
So what happened to the claim that he quit because of a family illness? Clearly he jumped before he was pushed.
piston wristed gibbon
The fact that not a single Cantab here wanted him as the new Saders coach speaks volumes.
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@crucial said in It's Hammerlander time:
@darren-nicholson said in It's Hammerlander time:
He was terrible for the Canes, I wouldn't wish him on anyone.
...and yet when it happened it was all Nonu's fault.
Didn't Piri leave as well for the Blues?
They where really the heart and soul of the Canes. If there had been a little more transparency perhaps it would have gone smoother.
Then we played terrible on the field, despite being told we are getting a new culture and are training at some stupid %.
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@darren-nicholson said in It's Hammerlander time:
They where really the heart and soul of the Canes.
I think that was the problem. There is nothing to suggest that Hammett was wrong in his assessment at that point Nonu, Weepu and Hore were and would continue to be underwhelming at Super level. I would not have had confidence as that as the leadership core (official or unofficial) for a team at Super level.
The way it was handled, three months out from a World Cup, was the where things went wrong. The first the public and many of the players heard about any serious issues was the axing. The fact he is proud about it and doesn't see it as one that he would like to have his time again on speaks volumes.
The fact Hammer was able to piss away whatever lore and mana that comes with being a NZ coach in Wales within 6 months tells you more about him than the Canes stint.
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@darren-nicholson said in It's Hammerlander time:
Didn't Piri leave as well for the Blues?
They where really the heart and soul of the Canes. If there had been a little more transparency perhaps it would have gone smoother.Actually, I suspect less transparency was required.
Dave Rennie slashed the Chiefs too, initially. Guys who had previously been at the core of the team were similarly dumped. But they were not publicly blamed. It was all very quietly done, and by the time the reasons leaked out the results on the pitch mollified the public.
The Hammetteur didn't just want to be a clean broom, he wanted everyone inside and outside the organisation that he was a clean broom and prepared to make the hard calls. It seems to have been more about his ego -- "I'm in charge" -- than about what was good for the team.
Good coaches keep things pretty close to their chest. Hard decisions have to be made, but the reasons are often clouded to prevent upsetting people. I think we are seeing that with Akira Ioane -- something is preventing his selection, but we are not to know because it isn't actually any of our business.
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Alienating senior players and working the players into the ground at training. So he just repeated what he did at the Canes without learning a single thing. Outstanding.
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@rotated said in It's Hammerlander time:
@darren-nicholson said in It's Hammerlander time:
They where really the heart and soul of the Canes.
I think that was the problem. There is nothing to suggest that Hammett was wrong in his assessment at that point Nonu, Weepu and Hore were and would continue to be underwhelming at Super level. I would not have had confidence as that as the leadership core (official or unofficial) for a team at Super level.
The way it was handled, three months out from a World Cup, was the where things went wrong. The first the public and many of the players heard about any serious issues was the axing. The fact he is proud about it and doesn't see it as one that he would like to have his time again on speaks volumes.
The fact Hammer was able to piss away whatever lore and mana that comes with being a NZ coach in Wales within 6 months tells you more about him than the Canes stint.
I think you're miss-remembering. Nonu wasn't an under-performer at Super level and in 2011 he was having a storming season. Hore was having his worst year as a player and he should have been benched by Hammett who instead kept him on as captain, and Weepu was never a consistent bad performer at Super level (and he wasn't booted, he chose to leave).
Also, the issues at the Canes in 2011 were known before the actual axing of the players.
Agree with all the rest though.
