Chris Gayle. Stay Classy

[MN5]

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<p>bro we knew you'd pop up when it was someone elses round.</p>
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<p>I've got Scots heritage. When it's my round it'll be the classic Beau Ryan "Barman, 11 waters please"</p>

[Catogrande]

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<p>that was after buying you one round....</p>
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<p>Not in your skill set I'd heard. Still there's a first for everything.  :yes:</p>

[No Quarter]

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Irn Bru mixed with something alcoholic...

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<p>Irn Bru mixed with something alcoholic...</p>
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<p>MN5 being the something alcoholic?</p>

[hydro11]

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<p>Yeah, agree</p>
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<p>Objectively, Gayle makes a mess of being funny to Mel. <strong>Apologises officially, pays 10 grand for the mistake, reiterates that he got things wrong</strong>. And is vilified for years</p>
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<p>Adams does a similar thing, apologises and is really cool</p>
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<p>Second case, Gayle and Edwards are presumably in a room together conducting an interview. Gayle says so many things and she or the Times choose to publicise certain bits. Sure Gayle knows that everything from "good morning can I have some water" to "thanks bye" is going to be recorded but you know what, he doesn't give a fuck. he's living his life, and he doesn't need to toe the party line. Edwards made no mention of being threatened, so what's the crime again?</p>
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<p>People need to chill and resist the media tactics forming our opinions. We freely talk about how full of shit they are, yet gulp at so much bait they fling out.</p>
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<p>I've met Gayle very briefly, handshake and hello mate by being the mate of his teammates. If I had the chance to hang with him or agree with the wife that he's sexist, I know which one I'd do - actually I'd do both :)</p>
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<p>Has he really done the bold? A quote from what you just posted '<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:georgia;font-size:16px;">So when Mel asks me that question I stay in the T20 mind, and answer informal and fun. I meant it as a joke. I meant it as a little fun. I didn't mean to be disrespectful and I didn't mean it to be taken serious."</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:georgia;font-size:16px;">It seems to me that he is justifying what he said to Mel because it wasn't mean to be taken seriously. Making a sexist remark and then saying it was just a joke is not a full apology. He should have said that while he thought it was a joke, he realised that it was inappropriate and disrespectful regardless of what he meant.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:georgia;font-size:16px;">I agree that some of the reaction afterwards was way overblown. However, we absolutely have the right to say that Gayle made a sexist comment and we absolutely should criticise people who do that without apologising properly. If Gayle has properly apologised, then I retract what I say.</span></p>

[gollum]

<p>The formatting on this will be bad, but if you care just past it into word & add some spaces, its a dump of the full 3000 word article from the times - </p>
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<p>Chris Gayle: ‘You don’t know me’ He’s one of the best batsman ever, smashing world records for more than 15 years. To non-sports fans, however, he’s famous as that cricketer who propositioned a female reporter on live TV this year. But the West Indies star is unrepentant: he’s not sexist; the criticism is “racist”   I’m having a drink with Chris Gayle. Yup, I’m doing what Mel McLaughlin, the Australian sports broadcaster, declined to do when the cricketing superstar and former West Indies captain propositioned her during a live interview in January, and sitting in a spangly bar with the self-styled Six Machine and a mojito. We’re in Bangalore, where Gayle, 36, plays for the Royal Challengers in the Indian Premier League, and we’re talking about sexism and, “What’s that t’ing – womanism?” Is he joking? Gayle responded to McLaughlin’s question about his cricketing form – he’d been playing for the Melbourne Renegades in a Big Bash contest with the Adelaide Strikers – by purring, “I’m here just to see your eyes for the first time … Hopefully we can win this game and we can have a drink afterwards. Don’t blush, baby.” Off camera, his team-mates can be heard wheezing with laughter. McLaughlin, it’s fair to say, seems nonplussed. The controversy wrapped itself around him like a stripper around a pole. Female journalists called him an “idiot” and a “dhead”. Fellow cricketers accused him of “setting a bad example to younger players” and the remark earned him a £4,800 fine from his club (although given his £5.3 million pay packet last year, it was a pretty limp slap on the wrist). But Gayle is his own worst enemy if this evening’s interview is anything to go by. Before two hours are up, he’s boasting about having “a very, very big bat, the biggest in the wooooorld”, adding, “You think you could lift it? You’d need two hands.” He asks how many black men I’ve “had”, goading me when I deflect the question, and whether I’ve ever had a “t’eesome” – “I bet you have. Tell me.” “Do you dye your hair?” he asks at one point. It’s highlighted, I reply. “But do you dye your hair?” His eyes flick down. When I rebuke him, he squawks, lifting his shoulders in ham offence: “But it’s only fair! Why do you get to ask all the questions?” Am I letting down the sisterhood by engaging with Gayle, a man who installed a strip club in the basement of his house in Jamaica without telling his girlfriend? A man who, after listening to John Barclay, old Etonian batsman, ex-England manager and former MCC president, hold forth on his sporting record over lunch, was said to have asked, “So, do you get much pussy?” As it turns out, his pantomime bad boy is a bit of a buffer. Later, Gayle will lean forward, his voice changing from laid-back singsong into a deep, rapid-fire rat-a-tat, to tell me that I just don’t get it. “If that had been a white footballer saying that,” he says of his comments to McLaughlin, “nothing would’ve happened. Rugby player, nothing would’ve happened. Hollywood actor? Tsk.” What does he mean? “Successful black men are struggling because people do things to put them down,” he says. “They would cover for other people, but not for a black man.” Is that true? Would David Beckham have been so roundly criticised? Or Leonardo DiCaprio? Is this an issue as much about racism as sexism? Here in India, where cricket “is a religion”, focus is firmly on his on-field reputation. And that reputation is of a god. With his ginormous bat (“My piece of wood”), he’s heroically smashed multiple records and is one of the best – and certainly the most flamboyant – batsmen in the world. While the fortunes of the West Indies team outside of T20 (20-over) contests have ebbed in the past 15 years, he’s one of only four players to have scored two triple centuries in Test matches. In 2012 he became the first (and so far only) batsman to score a six from the first ball of a Test match – a move of characteristic chutzpah: conventional wisdom has it that in a five-day contest, a batsman has the time to adjust to the conditions before taking any big shots. Last year in Australia, he became the first cricketer in World Cup history to score a double century (against Zimbabwe). And for the Bangalore Challengers he scored a 30-ball century as part of the highest individual score – 175 – in a T20 match. In June he’ll play for Somerset in the NatWest T20 Blast. Last year the series was a sellout, largely because of his signing. The county’s director of cricket, Matt Maynard, described him as “box office”. “I am an entertainer,” he says, when I ask about dance moves that accompany his big hits. “I like to entertain.” When I first catch sight of Gayle in person, it’s at an evening match in the M Chinnaswamy Stadium. The air is charged with the breathless anticipation of 40,000 spectators. He walks onto the field with his slow, hip-rolling stroll, a cross between a shire horse and a panther. (This is something he inherited from his dad: “Always take your own time, in your own world. Easy-going and nice.”) For the uninitiated, Indian T20 is a long way from the sedate leather on willow and pattering applause of the old-school English game. It’s commercial cricket: fast, flash, loud and brash. Sixes and fours spin out of screens like stings from an ITV game show. Scores are accompanied by catchy jingles. Cheerleaders scissor and wind, drums beat dementedly. Most importantly, this is where talented superstars from all over the world earn millions. And Gayle loves it, visibly absorbing the adoration of the crowd. When he hits, screens flash: “INTER-GAYLECTIC”. And the cash flows not just from the steaming crowds of spectators but from big-money endorsements. From advertising hoardings along the exhaust-polluted highways, Gayle’s image glowers, along with those of his team-mates (South Africa Test captain AB de Villiers, Indian Test captain Virat Kohli), selling everything from sports gear, bikes, casual slacks and – puzzlingly – pimple cream. But even without this notoriety, Gayle is not exactly inconspicuous: a swaggering 6ft 2in black man, broad as the Blue Mountains, is hard to miss in this distinctly Asian city. So his hotel, for all its ritzy glitz, is like “a prison,” he jokes, when we meet in the air-conditioned bar. If there is a place in the world where he would not be recognised, “I haven’t found it yet.” I’m here because Gayle has written a memoir called – inevitably – Six Machine (the man cannot resist a double entendre). In addition to detailing his extraordinary career, he narrates the story of a life “coming up” in cramped poverty amid gang violence in Kingston, Jamaica. His Twitter profile picture has him chilling in full gold and green Jamaican rig against a hazy backdrop of Kingston town. Away from the crease he favours rapper clobber, cigars, fast cars in primary colours, girls twerking in bikinis and diamond studs. He owns a bar in Kingston – the Triple Century – where he drinks Hennessy and Appleton rum with Usain Bolt and Shaggy, and snaps himself for Instagram draped in gold swag. A strong theme is that he is a man of many sides. “Complex,” is how he describes himself. The book opens thus: “You think you know me? You don’t know me. Yuh cyaan read me. Yuh cyaan study me. Doh’ even try study me. You think you know Chris Gayle. World Boss. The Six Machine. Destroyer of bowlers, demolisher of records, king of the party scene. You’re right. You also wrong. I am complicated. I am all you see and much more you don’t.” At first sight you’d be forgiven for thinking Gayle has a colossal ego. As well as World Boss, he calls himself Universe Boss, even “da ba’ass of all ba’ass Universe Boss”. (British diffidence he admits to finding utterly baffling.) His on-field persona is “this fierce batsman that no one wants to mess with”, he says. In the past he engaged in “sledging”, the act of intimidating rivals by whispering “a lotta nasty t’ings” in their ears – and “bumping”. This is right but also wrong, he explains, because all cricketers “have that alter ego. They might be absolutely arrogant on the cricket field, and then off the field they are like a baby. They have two sides. One you bring out: the superhuman you bring out in the middle there; the other is the normal person. “It’s natural to transform into someone else when you play a competitive game,” he says. “You’re not looking for friends. It’s a battle.” What about his mantra that he hates running – “The World Boss don’t run.” Is that part of the showmanship? “People think that [my] attitude towards the game stink. That’s how it come across: lazy. But to score a triple century, that’s not lazy. You cannot be lazy and do such things.” I ask about his love of “parties with a capital P”. Is it true he’ll party till dawn and sleep all day (our interview is delayed for an hour and a half, and he finally emerges from his room at 3.30pm after a “lie-in”)? “I like to blow off some steam,” he says with a shrug. Initially he tells me he’ll take me out partying when he comes to London, but decides I’ll be rubbish when I stop at two drinks. “You need a baby-sitter!” But I’m relieved to hear he’s human, too. “I will throw up sometimes,” he laughs. “I’m not Iron Man. If you’re going hard, you gotta suffer the consequence. If you lie down, the room spinning with you, for sure. Then the next day you say, ‘I’m not doing it again.’ You take a break, then you find yourself doing the same again. You live. That’s part of it.” His diet is certainly novel for a world-class athlete: hot chocolate, piles of pancakes and burgers. Surely he can’t subsist on junk? “Why not?” he counters. “Usain [Bolt] won a gold medal on chicken nuggets.” Later, I’m relieved to see him scarf through a steak and vegetables. He also has a splendidly ungangsterish cappuccino. So, then, who is the “normal” Gayle, the Gayle we “don’t see”? He flips through one of his pile of phones to show me photographs. There’s his girlfriend of ten years, Natasha Berridge, whom he met on the neighbouring Caribbean island of St Kitts. He’s known her since she was 19 and she’s “one of the very few who really knows me”. They’ve recently had a baby whom he cheekily told the world they had named Blush, although he tells me her name is Crisalina. Berridge, he says, is “a strong character”. “Very strong. A lot of people put things in her face and say, ‘Chris is this, and Chris is doing that,’ all sorts of things. But she’s very strong.” He adds: “And she got the booty.” He shows me a photo from the birth in a hospital in Miami (he wants his daughter to have a US passport). He’s wearing his trademark baseball cap with a 333 logo wedged over a do-rag and dip-dyed braids along with a surgical mask. There’s Crisalina, with a bow round her head like a gift. “His mother says she has my eyes,” he says, smiling broadly. He asks me if I have kids and – I think out of genuine interest – whether I had a caesarean or a vaginal birth. “It’s a nice experience being a father,” he continues. “But I only had a short stint there. I’m looking forward to seeing her again.” Many of his team-mates in India have partners, and I think he’s lonely. Last night, he watched English football until the small hours. “They all busy,” he says when I ask if they all go out together. Will he get married? He says he’s contemplating it, and asks me what I think. What if she says no? He looks horrified and amused at the same time. “I’ll have to accept it. No is no. I can’t do anything. I can’t force anything down anyone’s throat.” But, he says, “I’ve accomplished everything else. If there’s one thing left to do, there’s that. But it’s not a big t’ing in Jamaica.” His parents aren’t married. “It’s a different culture.” Gayle’s memoir tells of the cramped conditions of his childhood home in Rollington, a neighbourhood of Kingston, the permanent hunger, belt whippings from teachers (school rules included, “NO hair rollers. NO weapons”), as well as losing his virginity aged 16 to a stripper. “Jamaica is a tough place, it’s no secret. You grew up tough. In my childhood days, t’ings were even more outrageous than now. T’ings a bit quiet now, but there are still bad areas, still violence, and we can’t hide away from that.” Five children shared a bedroom with two beds: his sister in one, the four brothers taking it in turns on the other. “It was sometimes 40 degrees. No fan. No AC. No electricity when I was little so no TV, no not’ing.” The sound of gunshots wasn’t uncommon, but his parents (his father was a policeman) shielded the boys from gang culture. “They always sceptical of the company you keep,” he says. “They don’t want you out late because you can get caught in some gang.” Cigarettes, or even marijuana, were never a temptation. “When you go around that’s a customary thing: Jamaican sitting on the corner having a smoke. Not only Rasta; general. But I never ever tried it. I swear on my life.” And his parents’ vigilance – and eye-watering discipline: “Broomstick, mop stick, you misbehave, you getting it” – meant hot afternoons after school were spent at Lucas Cricket Club, the local ground. Back then he was skinny – “The muscles won’t come till later” – and not particularly tough in the wider landscape. Yet he was obsessive: “Batting, batting, batting. I bat long periods as a kid. Bat for days. I’m not like the live-wire person, but I put in the hours.” His brothers were naturally gifted at cricket, but he was the one who stuck at it. What he wrestled with was a dark and persistent fear of dying. “As a kid, I don’t know why, but I would lie down and think about death. ‘Damn, your eyes will close and you’re not going to see any more. You’re not going to see Mumma or Dada.’ And I thought, ‘I don’t want to die.’ And tears would come to my eye.” Since then, and through his life, he has tried to develop ways of dealing with it, mantras such as, “Breathe, let in the light.” Yoga, too. Therapy? “I’m not that crazy,” he shrieks. “They crazier than us. Therapists need therapy.” He said that he overcame his fear “a bit”, but when he underwent heart surgery for a congenital heart defect causing cardiac dysrhythmia, he says, “That’s when I started to take life not too seriously, tried not to be too tense. I thought, ‘I’m only playing cricket. I’m not spending any time really and truly doing things.’ So as soon as I get a break, I do those things.” When he retires he wants to be “busy with the family and catching up with life”. Will that be soon? After all, the average age for a player to retire is around 38 years, and, at the time of writing, he has scored just 19 runs in 5 matches in the IPL (he missed four games to be at the birth). Virat Kohli dropped him completely from a recent match, prompting one Indian newspaper to ask, “Is this the beginning of the end for Gayle?” He bats the question for six. “It’s not over yet. Not for a while.” About many things, Gayle is open-minded. He wouldn’t beat his kids like his parents beat him, for example, but “counsel” them instead. About homophobia – a deep-seated problem in the Jamaica of old – he is thoughtful. “The culture I grew up in, gays were negative,” he says. Partly because of his exposure to the rest of the world through cricket, he realised, “People can do whatever they want. You can’t tell someone how to live their life. It’s a free world.” It’s odd, then, that he can sound so confused on the subject of women. “Women should have equality and they do have equality,” he argues. “They have more than equality. Women can do what they want. Jamaican women are very vocal. They will let you know what time is it, for sure.” And yet he also believes this: “Women should please their man.” In what way? “When he comes home, food is on the table. Serious. You ask your husband what he likes and then you make it.” What if she’s been up all night with a newborn? “No, that OK. Then she doesn’t have to. We can stop and buy a meal.” What if she’s working? “Then they share. First person home, cooks.” Would he cook? “No.” Clean? “That is not going to happen.” He would change a nappy. “I’ve changed many of my nieces and nephews. I have no problem with that.” He says one huge cultural difference that we totally misunderstand in England (and Australia) is that Jamaicans “are more relaxed about sex. We’re not so hung up about it. This is what people like doing. It’s no big deal.” Right. Does that mean that he’s faithful? “I haven’t had a shag since I been here,” he says, not quite answering the question. “Sometimes I get into trouble because I give a woman a compliment. Natasha will say, ‘You see? You and your big mouth.’ But most of the time I just love joking around, and she knows that.” And then later he boasts, “Ten t’ousand women will throw themselves at me. The fact is that I am damn good-looking.” But does he throw himself at women? He sighs a big tired sigh. “Your questions, you suck me dry.” After a couple of drinks Gayle returns to the subject of McLaughlin repeatedly, like a tongue probing a sore tooth. He’s not upset about it “any more”, he insists. “It was a joke. She knew that. That’s who I am, the joker.” His hand trembles slightly when he reaches for his drink. “If she didn’t like it she could say, ‘Chris, I didn’t appreciate that.’ Simple as that.” After the braggadocio (his bar has a cocktail called Don’t Blush Baby), the boasting, the bawdy questions (“Dye it blue!”), Gayle does tell me what he really thinks. That the underlying issue is one of racism more than sexism. “As a genuine statement, and I would say this anywhere in the world, in any sporting arena, right now in 2016: racism is still the case for a black man. Trust me. “They just want to get a little sniff of the dirt. They find out some s and they want to sink you. It’s reality. You have to deal with that as a successful black man – especially if you had a poor man’s lifestyle, coming from nothing to something. “Usain Bolt has the same,” he says. He tells me a story: a female reporter (he thinks English) flew to Jamaica to write an article on Bolt. “She was trying to get close to him by being friendly with a local reporter. She didn’t want anything but dirt. You see? Reporters come just to dig things up on a successful black man. The Jamaican reporter was like, ‘I’m not a part of that. I want no part of that.’ “She just wanted negative stuff. Negative. I say this because I want to open people’s eyes. If they want to use me as a scapegoat, fine. But who’s coming after [me], they will learn.” He says Australia is more explicitly racist “off the field than on”. Following the “don’t blush” incident, a number of female reporters said they’d experienced similar “creepy” behaviour from him. One said, “He’s a big guy. It makes you feel intimidated.” Gayle believes this was a form of dog-whistle racism. “And another of the presenters who said she wasn’t happy with it, later she was interviewing a man and sitting in his lap. And she’s married. She was flirting. They were playing Let’s Get It On. She didn’t get any trouble. Double standards, that’s what it is.” Six Machine: I Don’t Like Cricket … I Love It , by Chris Gayle, is published by Penguin Books on June 2</p>

[Siam]

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<p>Has he really done the bold? A quote from what you just posted '<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:georgia;font-size:16px;">So when Mel asks me that question I stay in the T20 mind, and answer informal and fun. I meant it as a joke. I meant it as a little fun. I didn't mean to be disrespectful and I didn't mean it to be taken serious."</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:georgia;font-size:16px;">It seems to me that he is justifying what he said to Mel because it wasn't mean to be taken seriously. Making a sexist remark and then saying it was just a joke is not a full apology. He should have said that while he thought it was a joke, he realised that it was inappropriate and disrespectful regardless of what he meant.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:georgia;font-size:16px;">I agree that some of the reaction afterwards was way overblown. However, we absolutely have the right to say that Gayle made a sexist comment and we absolutely should criticise people who do that without apologising properly. If Gayle has properly apologised, then I retract what I say.</span></p>
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<p>Yes</p>
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<p>And your outrage or definitions of sexism doesn't have rights...but carry on anyway</p>

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<p>Good read, thanks Gollum. Context is all.</p>

[hydro11]

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<p>And your outrage or definitions of sexism doesn't have rights...but carry on anyway</p>
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<p>My outrage and definitions of sexism do have rights! I have the right to be outraged. I have the right to criticise sexism. I don't have the right to expect everyone to be outraged over the same things or have the same definitions of sexism. I don't know exactly how I was trying to enforce my outrage or definition on anyone else. I actually think the punishment Gayle received was too harsh.</p>
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<p>If you can point out to me where Gayle has fully apologised then I will immediately retract my critcism of Gayle for not apologising properly.</p>

[No Quarter]

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To hell with context, I want something to be outraged about.

[hydro11]

<p>Well, Gollum, I read that and it didn't really change my opinion. I have criticised Gayle for displaying a specific instance of sexism.</p>
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<p>Oh, dear someone is accusing me of sexism because I made sexist remarks on TV. It must be because they are racist! Look at John Terry. Plenty of white people get roundly criticised when they act like dickheads. Playing the race card is a hardly a defence.</p>
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<p>Does growing up among gang violence give you a 'sexism pass' or something? Being beaten by your father? Don't get me wrong. These are things which people shouldn't have to go through. We should hold a sense of admiration that someone has been able to overcome such things and become a professional sportsman. I'm just scratching my head and wondering what the hell it has to do with sexism.</p>
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<p>I say this so often, two things can be true at once. Someone can make sexist comments and be a fantastic person otherwise. They aren't mutually exclusive.</p>

[gollum]

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<p>Well, Gollum, I read that and it didn't really change my opinion. I have criticised Gayle for displaying a specific instance of sexism.</p>
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<p>Oh, dear someone is accusing me of sexism because I made sexist remarks on TV. It must be because they are racist! Look at John Terry. Plenty of white people get roundly criticised when they act like dickheads. Playing the race card is a hardly a defence.</p>
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<p>Does growing up among gang violence give you a 'sexism pass' or something? Being beaten by your father? Don't get me wrong. These are things which people shouldn't have to go through. We should hold a sense of admiration that someone has been able to overcome such things and become a professional sportsman. I'm just scratching my head and wondering what the hell it has to do with sexism.</p>
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<p>I say this so often, two things can be true at once. Someone can make sexist comments and be a fantastic person otherwise. They aren't mutually exclusive.</p>
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<p>I didn't read it & think "well I thought he was a tool & now I like him" I just thought "well, less of a tool than I thought". The bit that came through for me in that was that he simply see's no areas where you have to take sex off the table. IE he is constantly & consistently open re sex. He thinks a woman is hot, he tells her she is hot. He then is amazed when people say "whoa!". That is a very Jamacian thing. Same deal in Italy where any woman who's been there has been eye fucked by the whole country & offered out by half of it.</p>
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<p>The 200 word stuff article was a straight out beat up as you got no sense of the interview at all. Left out the bits where he talks about his wife in a good way -</p>
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<p>"Berridge, he says, is “a strong character”. “Very strong. A lot of people put things in her face and say, ‘Chris is this, and Chris is doing that,’ all sorts of things. But she’s very strong.”</p>
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<p>And included the bit where she better cook what I want.</p>
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<p>Same right through. Made it sound like he just went at the interviewer but left out stuff like -</p>
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<p>"When I rebuke him, he squawks, lifting his shoulders in ham offence: “But it’s only fair! Why do you get to ask all the questions?” ....As it turns out, his pantomime bad boy is a bit of a buffer.</p>
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<p>The serialised bits fromn the book were even better as there was far less bluster & bullshit. I completely agree he is a sexist, not too bright, party boy - but so is almost every major sportsman, Wayne Rooney did hookers, John Terry did his mates wife, everyones current darlings Liecester city started their year videoing themselves tag teaming Thai hookers. So it seems a bit churlish to single him out. I'm not sold its as much to do with race as he thinks, but I do think Andrew Flintoff or Warney would have got away with it... </p>

[Siam]

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<p>My outrage and definitions of sexism do have rights! I have the right to be outraged. I have the right to criticise sexism. I don't have the right to expect everyone to be outraged over the same things or have the same definitions of sexism. I don't know exactly how I was trying to enforce my outrage or definition on anyone else. I actually think the punishment Gayle received was too harsh.</p>
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<p>If you can point out to me where Gayle has fully apologised then I will immediately retract my critcism of Gayle for not apologising properly.</p>
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<p>Yeah sure, I just seized on the opportunity to paraphrase our thread "your ideas don't have rights" - no big deal and I enjoyed typing it :)</p>
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<p>Gayle made apologies on camera and apparently to Mel a few days after everyone lost their shit and were reminded that 2016 social conditioning meant that EVERYONE had to find the lines <span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">“I’m here just to see your eyes for the first time … Hopefully we can win this game and we can have a drink afterwards. Don’t blush, baby.</span>" more offensive than bombing babies in Syria</p>
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<p>I won't site the apology because I can't be arsed facilitating outraged people who disclaim "I won't be outraged if he apologised, but that won't stop me calling him sexist before the facts are presented to me...and then he magically won't be sexist" (edit: you will retract your statement that he didn't apologise - don't bother mate Gayle won't care)</p>
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<p>More smiley's     we simply disagree on what propels outrage - all good</p>

[hydro11]

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<p>Yeah sure, I just seized on the opportunity to paraphrase our thread "your ideas don't have rights" - no big deal and I enjoyed typing it :)</p>
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<p>Gayle made apologies on camera and apparently to Mel a few days after everyone lost their shit and were reminded that 2016 social conditioning meant that EVERYONE had to find the lines <span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">“I’m here just to see your eyes for the first time … Hopefully we can win this game and we can have a drink afterwards. Don’t blush, baby.</span>" more offensive than bombing babies in Syria</p>
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<p>I won't site the apology because I can't be arsed facilitating outraged people who disclaim "I won't be outraged if he apologised, but that won't stop me calling him sexist before the facts are presented to me...and then he magically won't be sexist" (edit: you will retract your statement that he didn't apologise - don't bother mate Gayle won't care)</p>
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<p>More smiley's     we simply disagree on what propels outrage - all good</p>
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<p>Well, again. Every apology I have heard Gayle make was insufficient. I have heard several apologies from Gayle like the one you posted in this thread. The problem was it wasn't a full and proper apology and I have already outlined why I thought it wasn't. The way he has acted since then by saying that part of the reason there was such a big reaction was because of racism takes away from the genuineness of any apology.</p>
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<p>In that video they were saying 'your ideas don't have rights to not be challenged.' I'm more than happy to be challenged.</p>
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<p>EDIT: here was Gayle's original apologies:</p>
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<p>Gayle said it was "a simple joke ... that went out of proportion" and offered a begrudging apology.</p>
<p>"There wasn't anything meant to be disrespectful or offensive to Mel," he said after arriving back in Melbourne on Tuesday.</p>
<p>"If she felt that way, I'm really sorry for that. There wasn't any harm meant in that particular way, to harm any particular person in any particular way like that."</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-05/chris-gayle-apologises-for-comments-to-mel-mclaughlin/7067750'>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-05/chris-gayle-apologises-for-comments-to-mel-mclaughlin/7067750</a></p>
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<p>There is no way that is a proper apology. A proper apology would say something like 'although I thought my comments were in jest and no harm was intended, i realise i caused a high level of distress to Mel Laughlin. I realise now that my comments were inappropriate and demeaned Mel's worth as a presented. I should not have put any woman trying to do her job in such an uncomfortable position. For this I apologise.' Something like that.</p>
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<p>So, again, if this isn't the proper apology I would like to see where it happens. Gayle has apologised twice that I have seen and neither has been a proper apology.</p>

[hydro11]

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<p>I didn't read it & think "well I thought he was a tool & now I like him" I just thought "well, less of a tool than I thought". The bit that came through for me in that was that he simply see's no areas where you have to take sex off the table. IE he is constantly & consistently open re sex. He thinks a woman is hot, he tells her she is hot. He then is amazed when people say "whoa!". That is a very Jamacian thing. Same deal in Italy where any woman who's been there has been eye fucked by the whole country & offered out by half of it.</p>
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<p>The 200 word stuff article was a straight out beat up as you got no sense of the interview at all. Left out the bits where he talks about his wife in a good way -</p>
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<p>"Berridge, he says, is “a strong character”. “Very strong. A lot of people put things in her face and say, ‘Chris is this, and Chris is doing that,’ all sorts of things. But she’s very strong.”</p>
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<p>And included the bit where she better cook what I want.</p>
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<p>Same right through. Made it sound like he just went at the interviewer but left out stuff like -</p>
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<p>"When I rebuke him, he squawks, lifting his shoulders in ham offence: “But it’s only fair! Why do you get to ask all the questions?” ....As it turns out, his pantomime bad boy is a bit of a buffer.</p>
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<p>The serialised bits fromn the book were even better as there was far less bluster & bullshit. I completely agree he is a sexist, not too bright, party boy - but so is almost every major sportsman, Wayne Rooney did hookers, John Terry did his mates wife, everyones current darlings Liecester city started their year videoing themselves tag teaming Thai hookers. So it seems a bit churlish to single him out. I'm not sold its as much to do with race as he thinks, but I do think Andrew Flintoff or Warney would have got away with it... </p>
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<p>Shane Warne was one of the most controversial athletes in the history of the sport. He was lambasted, fined and banned multiple times. I think that flies directly contrary to what Gayle was saying.</p>

[taniwharugby]

<p>you'd have to say with the additional comments in the OP, that any apology would just be lip service anyway as this is just the way he is and isn't sorry for anything at all.</p>

[MN5]

<p>Fucken hell hydro11, one would be mistaken for thinking he owed you an apology........</p>
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<p>OUTSTANDING short form player, first name down in a World 11. Also a very good test batsman too which is easy to forget.</p>
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<p>Lives a "Gangsta" lifestyle most could only dream about, vilified and dragged over the coals for saying a few dumb things. Whether this is racism or not is up in the air.</p>
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<p>Great to read the entire article and get a few quotes that are actually in his favour for a bit of balance.</p>

[hydro11]

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<p>Fucken hell hydro11, one would be mistaken for thinking he owed you an apology........</p>
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<p>OUTSTANDING short form player, first name down in a World 11. Also a very good test batsman too which is easy to forget.</p>
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<p>Lives a "Gangsta" lifestyle most could only dream about, vilified and dragged over the coals for saying a few dumb things. Whether this is racism or not is up in the air.</p>
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<p>Great to read the entire article and get a few quotes that are actually in his favour for a bit of balance.</p>
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<p>He doesn't owe me anything. All I'm saying is that he made a sexist comment and he didn't apologise for it properly. That's all I'm saying. No more, no less. I don't think gayle should have been fined $10,000 either. All I'm saying is that it is silly to say Gayle has fully apologised when he clearly hasn't and justifies his actions by crying racism and Jamaican culture.</p>
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<p>Gayle does not have to apologise to me. However, if you make sexist comments and you do not properly apologise for making sexist comments then it is far enough for people to observe this and criticise you for making sexist comments.</p>

[hydro11]

<p>Also it is laughable to think Gayle would be first name down in any World XI.</p>

[MN5]

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<p>He doesn't owe me anything. All I'm saying is that he made a sexist comment and he didn't apologise for it properly. That's all I'm saying. No more, no less. I don't think gayle should have been fined $10,000 either. All I'm saying is that it is silly to say Gayle has fully apologised when he clearly hasn't and justifies his actions by crying racism and Jamaican culture.</p>
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<p>Gayle does not have to apologise to me. However, if you make sexist comments and you do not properly apologise for making sexist comments then it is far enough for people to observe this and criticise you for making sexist comments.</p>
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<p>Some might say he's not obliged to apologise at all. He said it was a joke and "she knew that".......I don't recall her coming out saying how outraged she was but the PC brigade got on their high horses really quick smart as they always do.</p>
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<p>In terms of first name down in a World 11 for 20/20s um, yes he would. Not tests and probably not ODIs but if you can genuinely name a better batsman in the shortest form to face the first ball than him then I'm all ears.</p>