England vs Springboks
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@Dodge said in England vs Springboks:
Borthwick has to go. Just has too. Get a confident, established coach and let him build a coaching set up I might actually have heard of. Our defence is as bad as I can ever remember it, and our structured attack non existent.
Reading between the lines, Jones left because of borthwicks autocratic style. Do you think borthwick can learn from this, or is he too dictatorial ? England have a long history of sacking coaches at just the wrong time. The team are not far off being really good.
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We’re a prop, an 8 and a centre partnership from being potentially good. We would need to ad a decent and stable coaching team to that.
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I’ve heard that Borthwick is paranoid, worried about losing his job and therefore a control freak. He’s the wrong man. The team look good in patches as they have some decent cattle (all be it were really short in the front row and in the centres), but the defence shows that the players don’t understand what the coaches want from them, my guess is that the coaches don’t understand either
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Remembering those days when Borthwick was playing and all you heard was stuff like how technically good he was and what a good lineout caller he was. Very little was said about how ineffectual he was as a player given his physical gifts.
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@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
Much better then your Berry.
For a nation that hasn't produced a Test quality ref since Andre Watson, that's a really interesting position to take.
RSA has so much Rugby playing talent, in such big and well run system, and your peak contribution is Marius Jonker behind a TMO desk.
And he's bad at that.
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@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
Mail. Head.
Edit: fuck it NAIL.
your posts are getting rather Sicilian.
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@NTA said in England vs Springboks:
@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
Much better then your Berry.
<grabs popcorn. And a rewind video>
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@akan004 said in England vs Springboks:
@sparky said in England vs Springboks:
PSDT has been outstanding. Again. What a player!
Best in the world imo. Better than Dupont.
DuPont the GOAT. What a joke. He was so average yesterday.
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@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
We’re a prop, an 8 and a centre partnership from being potentially good. We would need to ad a decent and stable coaching team to that.
wait, what's wrong with your 8? from the 2 England games i watched this month the loose forward trio have been bloody good. what am i missing?
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Happy with that Bok win although still frustrated that we have yet to really find our rhythm on this EOYT.
For England... another loss that I'm sure hurts.
But, I really don't think England are very far off the pace. They just seem to miss a little something than when they find it, I believe will click them into gear. For what it's worth, I thought Underhill was colossal. How he isn't in every match 23 is beyond me.A question for @Dodge and @Catogrande and every other poster that watches English rugby closely:
Is this not the time for England rugby to adopt the approach of picking players even if they don't play in the Premiership?
Will that really undermine the England club game that much?Another question:
If Borthwick were to get the sack, who would you want as England coach?
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@mariner4life said in England vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in England vs Springboks:
We’re a prop, an 8 and a centre partnership from being potentially good. We would need to ad a decent and stable coaching team to that.
wait, what's wrong with your 8? from the 2 England games i watched this month the loose forward trio have been bloody good. what am i missing?
Earl has done very well playing out of position. He’s very small for an 8 and lacks a bit of heavyweight punch. He’s made good ground with his speed and footwork to be sure but doesn’t have that extra when the speed etc gets nullified. He’s more of a natural 7 and let’s not forget that he became England’s 8 by accident when Borthwick only took one 8 to the World Cup - the washed up Billy V and was forced into making the change.
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OK, first question. In truth there aren’t that many playing abroad that would realistically be in contention. Jack Willis, Henry Arundell and Farrell. The former two stayed over in France due to being overlooked and or messed around by England and Farrell’ issues are fairly clear, plus he’s near the end of his International career. I can’t think of too many more tbh.
Second question. I think we’re stuck with Borthwick for the 6N but we need to be looking around for a replacement. Just who that may be is another matter. We seem to completely bugger up the timing in looking for our coaches, always looking desperately around because we’ve hung on too long and missed opportunities to secure good, proven International coaches. Hence my view of sticking with Borthwick for another 6 months of so.
