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<p>wait what? wasting his talent? A guy with 41 caps and 38 tries? World Cup winner (as a starting player) Julian Savea? </p>
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<p>I knew someone would say that and not see what I meant! :)</p>
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<p>I meant now he seems to be rather than over-all. (I'm also not comparing acheivements between the two fatties)</p> -
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<p>I'm not actually convinced we do, on the wings at least. Especially to slot in as a starting player in a months time</p>
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<p>I'm pretty sure that Ngatai and Moala, although no real outside backs, would do fine against Wales on the left wing.</p> -
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<p>I knew someone would say that and not see what I meant! :)</p>
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<p>I meant now he seems to be rather than over-all. (I'm also not comparing acheivements between the two fatties)</p>
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<p>He's a professional athlete in a professional team being picked every week. And an established member of the national side in an environment where every resource is aimed at ensuring the national team remains at the pinnacle. I think if his skin folds weren't at acceptable levels, and his on-field output wasn't up to scratch, he would know about it from every level. I would be astounded if his spot was in jeopardy for June that he didn't already know about it. </p> -
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<p>I'm pretty sure that Ngatai and Moala, although no real outside backs, would do fine against Wales on the left wing.</p>
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<p>James Lowe isn't half bad, either.</p> -
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<p>I'm pretty sure that Ngatai and Moala, although no real outside backs, would do fine against Wales on the left wing.</p>
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<p>yea, this is the All Blacks, i expect a little more than "do fine". And if that is the bar, then i am even more sure J Savea would "do fine".</p>
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<p>That aside, i think Moala would be more than fine, i think he would do a good job, and if he gets picked, i expect it as a wing/centre utility. I would also be happy with Dagg coming back in, Smith going back to wing, and Naholo moving. But my point is, you would want to be bloody sure of yourself before you cut an established, and proven All Black. You don't do it "to send a message" if you don't have anyone that's noticeably better. This applies especially for the ABs, who seem to ignore Super Rugby form for established players. </p> -
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<p>James Lowe isn't half bad, either.</p>
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<p>decent level Super rugby player, not sure he's any more than that. And there are a couple around in that basket. </p> -
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<p>decent level Super rugby player, not sure he's any more than that. And there are a couple around in that basket. </p>
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<p>You don't know until he gets a chance. He has been one of the best attacking players in the competition the last couple of years.</p> -
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<p>You don't know until he gets a chance. He has been one of the best attacking players in the competition the last couple of years.</p>
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<p>decision making can be ropey as well</p>
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<p>Statistically he is doing better on defense than Savea is (as well as Ngatai and Moala). Is it a case of missing the player completely?</p>
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<p>He misses a lot of tackles, it's an observation (I don't know how the stats treat clear misses)</p>
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<p>There goes Dagg's chances of an AB recall. :mocking:</p>
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<p>I've been his biggest critic about this in the last few years.... has been very reluctant to put his body on the line while playing for the crusaders in both attack and defense.</p>
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<p>But has shown a considerable change in attitude this year</p>
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<p>Osborne was part of a training camp....</p>
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<p>You don't know until he gets a chance. He has been one of the best attacking players in the competition the last couple of years.</p>
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<p>Fair enough, perhaps not Lowe then :)</p>
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<p>I am a fan of statistics either way, but recently I've had to rely solely on them as I've had little chance to actually watch most the games (particularly the ones Lowe has been a part of this season). Either way, I think we have people that can come in and do a reasonable job while Savea (hopefully) gets his act together before the Rugby Championship.</p> -
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<p>Julian doesn't deserve a Black jersey in June from the way hes been carrying on. </p>
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<p>First he starts the season fat and lazy, secondly once he got fit he has done pretty much f all and now this. He is going the right way about throwing his jersey away.</p>
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<p>Personally I wouldn't pick him just to give him a wake up call. That may sound harsh but I think it's the right thing to do to get him switched on again.</p>
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<p>We have too much talent in NZ for him to be pissing around. </p>
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<p>On one hand I agree with you but I am not sure having one rule for some players and another rule for others is a good look. The AB selectors have been tolerant with ABs in the past who have had poor Super campaigns.</p> -
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<p>Statistically he is doing better on defense than Savea is (as well as Ngatai and Moala). Is it a case of missing the player completely?</p>
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<p>I wouldn't mind Lowe getting a shot (way better than Osborne and I think they might be able to help sand down some of his rough edges) but there's no comparing wingers tackling stats to midfielders. Silly.</p>
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<p>Anyway, I fuckin knew Jane was going to be one of the dipshits. Didn't think of him at first and would've expected more from a senior player, but then I remembered 2011 when even then, he wasn't exactly a starry eyed youngster. Not surprised by the Savea's or Eves but I am surprised to see Vito there. Dumb.</p>
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<p>Respect to Boyd for putting his foot down though. Even if the Reds are shit, it makes an all but certain win into a bit of a question mark.</p> -
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<p>He's a professional athlete in a professional team being picked every week. And an established member of the national side in an environment where every resource is aimed at ensuring the national team remains at the pinnacle. I think if his skin folds weren't at acceptable levels, and his on-field output wasn't up to scratch, he would know about it from every level. I would be astounded if his spot was in jeopardy for June that he didn't already know about it. </p>
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<p>Pick Julian and pick Matt Todd. Then tell Julian, "we would have picked Ardie except we think having one Savea in the team is enough to deal with at present - so stop testing our no dick heads policy".</p>
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<p>Tell Ardie the the same.
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