All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow Will Greenwood is good. Gavin Muirs at the Daily Telegraph is okay. But yeah, beyond that you're going to learn much more these days from specialist Rugby content providers
Keo and Zels on SA Rugby Mag are the best.
They know all the players, even youth players coming through. They take an interest in the opposition.
I never get bored listening to them.
And they actually have some "takes", as opposed to the fence sitting we get served up in NZ.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow which forums do you get insight from ….
The Polish ones
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?
I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average
It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.
It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis
For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct
Yeah, he is really good to listen. I agreed with him but the I wondered if they don’t want to play a more direct style to give England a game to analyse so close to playing them
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?
I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average
It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.
It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis
For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct
Yeah, he is really good to listen. I agreed with him but the I wondered if they don’t want to play a more direct style or gameplan close to what we are trying to play against England, so we don’t give England a game to analyse
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Tubby Barnes firing some early shots. I don't see the ABs beating the rush defence with BB at 1st 5.
Agree with pretty much all of what he said to be honest.
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Reckon we need to at least name Temu in the starting XV.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I don't think in this entire show the Breakdown team mentioned a single England player by name. Arrogance, ignorance or both?
I know you have to pump your own car's tyres up but this show is beyond average
It’s a show which is tries to be high on style low on substance.
It’s not a show for serious rugby analysis
For analysis, Aotearoa Rugby Pod is much better. I was just watching earlier, James Parsons in particular is quite insightful. He didn't think we played great vs Japan, wanted to see us be more direct
Yeah, he is really good to listen. I agreed with him but the I wondered if they don’t want to play a more direct style to give England a game to analyse so close to playing them
Keeping the powder dry?
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England have named their team:
I think they need a few more VCs.
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A 6-2 split on the England bench in case you were wondering.
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@Bones said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Reckon we need to at least name Temu in the starting XV.
were you offering that 40% off code again
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@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Bones said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Reckon we need to at least name Temu in the starting XV.
were you offering that 40% off code again
Only in the final quarter.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky who believes they are that good?
They aren't as shit as being made out on here, but they aren't amazing either.
we are strong favourites against England. So there's that - now we have to execute
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good, better to keep him playing.
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Think most of the starting side picks itself. Big question is who takes the last back position I reckon.
EDG/Taylor/Lomax
Barrett/Vaa'i
Sititi/Savea/Cane
Ratima/?
J Barrett/Ioane
Clarke/?/?B Barrett and Jordan will take two of those spots, where they play depends on who fills the other spot. Suspect it will be Reece on the right wing, but could easily be Perofeta at 15 or DMac at 10.
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I think
10 DMac
14 Jordan
15 BBis the strongest we can put out. Moving BB to 10 weakens 10 and 14 (and is short term). Jordan has his failings, but Reece is really struggling in Tests this year
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I'd stick with Jordan at 15, he's the future and offers so much more in attack.
McKenzie over Barrett at 10 every day of the week.
And I guess Reece, reluctantly - unless Beauden wants a run there? Better in the air than Reece at least... -
I think the 23 will be the below, will be surprised if it isn't.
- EDG
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett (C)
- Va'ai
- Sititi
- Cane
- Savea
- Ratima
- McKenzie
- Clarke
- Barrett
- Ioane
- Jordan
- Barrett
- Aumua
- Williams
- Tosi
- Tuipolotu
- Finau
- Roigard
- Leinert-Brown
- Reece
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Liam Napier suggesting it's Beauden at 10. He is usually on the money with his predictions.
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Given that McKenzie played the full 80 against Japan, I suspect Barrett will start at 10. I wouldn't have him in the 23 at all, to be honest.
Likely Jordan at fullback and either Reece or Tele'a on the wing, but Reece has been given a few opportunities and Tele'a agility might win him the start for this match.
Expecting Ratima, Barrett, Clarke, Barrett, Ioane, Tele'a, Jordan with a bench of Perenara, McKenzie, Lienert-Brown.
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I actually like the idea of McKenzie off the bench. If used correctly he could really make a big difference.
Unfortunately the other utility back bench role seems to rotate between a guy who never looks good off the bench in ALB and a guy who hasn't been in form in 2 years in Havili.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Given that McKenzie played the full 80 against Japan, I suspect Barrett will start at 10. I wouldn't have him in the 23 at all, to be honest.
Likely Jordan at fullback and either Reece or Tele'a on the wing, but Reece has been given a few opportunities and Tele'a agility might win him the start for this match.
Expecting Ratima, Barrett, Clarke, Barrett, Ioane, Tele'a, Jordan with a bench of Perenara, McKenzie, Lienert-Brown.
You wouldn't have Mckenzie in the 23 at all? Who covers 10?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Given that McKenzie played the full 80 against Japan, I suspect Barrett will start at 10. I wouldn't have him in the 23 at all, to be honest.
Likely Jordan at fullback and either Reece or Tele'a on the wing, but Reece has been given a few opportunities and Tele'a agility might win him the start for this match.
Expecting Ratima, Barrett, Clarke, Barrett, Ioane, Tele'a, Jordan with a bench of Perenara, McKenzie, Lienert-Brown.
Hasn't McKenzie played pretty much the full 80 in every game except the dead rubber Bledisloe?
I would be astonished if BB's mediocre performance at 10 in that game has seen him move to the top of the ladder. Our backs looked better the minute McKenzie came on. -
yay. we'll go from not scoring in the last 20 to not scoring in the first 60.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@brodean Sorry, I meant I wouldn't have Barrett in the 23.
Perofeta at fullback with Jordan on the right wing is the go for me.
I don't get the love for Perofeta at fullback, he wasn't a standout at all in Super rugby in that position, especially in a dominant team. I don't even think many had him as even being apart of the AB squad, let alone a starter in tests of this magnitude. They rested Beaudy for a reason against Japan, he will definitely be in the 23.
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@reprobate I am with you on that but I think you may be in for a shock, we'd be asking a LOT of McKenzie to play the full 80 against Japan and then back up against England a (short) week later given the time zone changes. Beauden going to England early is a pretty strong indicator they have him penned in at 10. But we shall see, where is the sauce??
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6/2 split from England. I wonder if NZ will be tempted to follow given how they have faded late in matches
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The sweat was pouring off our props like oriental waterfalls (and the Japanese front row was as well) even before the end of the first half-if they can maintain that for 40 minutes I am not so worried about their fitness in England. But I think given our bench props's* size NZ will be tempted to go for a 6-2 split.
Despite being a scrummaging newbie, I'd put Tosi on the bench, how can they stop him in the last 10 minutes metres out from the tryline?
I'm interested in how the ABs locks are ranked now and if Situtu has really made them rethink the loosies (Finau wasn't too bad this game, but he seems a bit languid at times). I'm guessing they will stick to Cane but this could result in another lack of speed issue.
The young 9s are so good I'd choose either to start (probably Ratima actually). TJP can lead the haka.
I really don't know how they rate the 10s, but if BB starts I think we are a bit light on reliable goal kickers which could be important against England.
The midfield is still a concern, I thought we were outplayed and ALB wasn't very dominant. If we could combine Preston's distribution with Ioane's tackling we'd have a world-class 13, but, we can't. And I am beginning to think the real problem is at 12, nobody has consistently impressed there recently.
Tele'a played better but for me Jordan and Clarke (and then Ioane) are our best wingers. I'd be a bit radical and keep Love at 15 (if the NZXV hadn't taken him) but after him I'd rank Jordan, BB or Perofeta (who I thought looked a bit indecisive against Japan).*With EdG form/fitness/injury issues, has The Mighty Williams become our #1 loosehead?
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Ruben Love won't be featuring for the ABs:
He is good enough for the main team already.
We are too conservative.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Liam Napier suggesting it's Beauden at 10. He is usually on the money with his predictions.
Unfathomable.
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@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Ruben Love won't be featuring for the ABs:
He is good enough for the main team already.
We are too conservative.
Ooh snap! Would like to see him more under the high ball at international level but he looks a strong rival to Jordan.
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@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Ruben Love won't be featuring for the ABs:
He is good enough for the main team already.
We are too conservative.
Robertson so far has a 67% win rate, a record loss at home, RC gone, Freedom Cup gone, zero player development, unless for injury and an assistant under the bus.
The best player so far is Wallace Sititi and he only got a chance because Blackadder got injured, how many others would have shone if given the chance we'll never know now...
It's a blight on the coaching staff that Sititi is the best player on the park in every game he plays and only became our starting 6 start due to injury to their pet Blackadder.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
6/2 split from England. I wonder if NZ will be tempted to follow given how they have faded late in matches
They can't really do it well with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 15 as we need 9, 10, midfield cover.
I wouldn't pick this, but if they had Clarke, Jordan, Dmac back three, we could go to a 6-2 bench with 10/15 cover and can carry ALB on the bench.
The secondary issue though is that even if we do go with a 6-2, Scott Barrett is not better at 6 to end the game, and our loosie mix is still a mess, so figuring out who to sub is hard when we have two untouchables there in Barrett and Savea.
We could start Finau and bring on a Sititi alongside Pat T with another lock (e.g., Lord, Darry) but that requires Barrett at 6 assuming he won't be subbed.
Edit: If we started Barrett at 6 to finish at lock, with Savea and Cane, then we could roll on Finau and Sititi to finish alongside Savea. We could run out Pat T alongside Vaii to start and bring on Lord to finish alongside Barrett.
That doesn't sound that flash either, we have too many untouchables for a 6-2 to work.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Duluth said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
6/2 split from England. I wonder if NZ will be tempted to follow given how they have faded late in matches
They can't really do it well with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 15 as we need 9, 10, midfield cover.
I wouldn't pick this, but if they had Clarke, Jordan, Dmac back three, we could go to a 6-2 bench with 10/15 cover and can carry ALB on the bench.
The secondary issue though is that even if we do go with a 6-2, Scott Barrett is not better at 6 to end the game, and our loosie mix is still a mess, so figuring out who to sub is hard when we have two untouchables there in Barrett and Savea.
We could start Finau and bring on a Sititi alongside Pat T with another lock (e.g., Lord, Darry) but that requires Barrett at 6 assuming he won't be subbed.
Edit: If we started Barrett at 6 to finish at lock, with Savea and Cane, then we could roll on Finau and Sititi to finish alongside Savea. We could run out Pat T alongside Vaii to start and bring on Lord to finish alongside Barrett.
That doesn't sound that flash either, we have too many untouchables for a 6-2 to work.
Tupou Vaa'i can move to 6, looks more mobile than SB to me.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Duluth said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
6/2 split from England. I wonder if NZ will be tempted to follow given how they have faded late in matches
They can't really do it well with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 15 as we need 9, 10, midfield cover.
I wouldn't pick this, but if they had Clarke, Jordan, Dmac back three, we could go to a 6-2 bench with 10/15 cover and can carry ALB on the bench.
The secondary issue though is that even if we do go with a 6-2, Scott Barrett is not better at 6 to end the game, and our loosie mix is still a mess, so figuring out who to sub is hard when we have two untouchables there in Barrett and Savea.
We could start Finau and bring on a Sititi alongside Pat T with another lock (e.g., Lord, Darry) but that requires Barrett at 6 assuming he won't be subbed.
Edit: If we started Barrett at 6 to finish at lock, with Savea and Cane, then we could roll on Finau and Sititi to finish alongside Savea. We could run out Pat T alongside Vaii to start and bring on Lord to finish alongside Barrett.
That doesn't sound that flash either, we have too many untouchables for a 6-2 to work.
Tupou Vaa'i can move to 6, looks more mobile than SB to me.
I agree, but that would three untouchables then.
The issue we have is that both Savea and Barrett aren’t subbed. Adding another makes a 6-2 even harder.
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I really don't like the idea of moving a tired lock to 6 in general, and it also seems pretty directly opposed to our loose forward selection strategy and play fast game plan. Mind you, so do selecting Cane and TJP, so what would I know.
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