Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season
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@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@gt12 said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
And if you then start dropping players and sacking coaches because of these delusional expectations you'll rapidly go into a downward spiral where you're trawling Heartland rugby for All Blacks, because everyone at the higher level is a proven failure!
The slipperiest of slopes as used to justify poor coaching and selection.
Equally hopeless is analysis that says - we lost - the coaches are fucking useless. This player made a mistake, we must drop him.
As just one example, half the Fern has been calling for Ardie Savea to be dropped. But, he's the reigning World Player of the Year. Wouldn't it be a lot more sensible to back him, coach him where he's been making errors and expect that he'll come right? Because the standard you're aspiring to is winning the WPotY - it seems to me that Ardie is the most likely to reach that standard - since he's proven he can do it - no matter how promising Sititi or Sotutu might look.
Leads with the strawman this time. Nice.
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@mariner4life said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
everything they tell us, they're telling the opposition coaches
as your yourself said in your passionate Razor defence above, the opposition already have all of it anyway.
They probably have - but, if the interviewer asks, "What went wrong with the lineout, Razor", I'm not sure he needs to give a detailed analysis of what they were trying to do - at least make the opposition do their homework.
Not just Razor - aside from the couple of weeks where it genuinely looked like they were going to axe Fozzie, I mainly supported him.
Even if Razor loses all five matches on this tour, I highly doubt they will sack him. At present he's not remotely close.
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@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
loses all five matches on this tour, I highly doubt they will sack him
ooof, i dunno about that one. The PR machine would have to work overtime to keep him in teh job.
And if that is no longer required, then the ABs really are dead.
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If we lost to Italy and he stayed in the job, it would show that the NZRU is completely rotten.
I actually think / hope we'll go OK, but that feeling is also very selection dependent. I reserve the right to go full Tim if some of these strange picks continue and we pay the price.
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@mariner4life said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
loses all five matches on this tour, I highly doubt they will sack him
ooof, i dunno about that one. The PR machine would have to work overtime to keep him in teh job.
And if that is no longer required, then the ABs really are dead.
Well, see Rob Penney, for example.
Rob had a shocker of a season, but maybe a couple of good results saved him - along with mitigating circumstances of injuries. But, that was a shocker on top of the shocker the Waratahs axed him for, so there's been a high degree of tolerance.
Can't see it happening, but if we lost to Japan - and then we lost the big three matches - I'm sure we'd run out all the guns vs Italy to make sure we didn't lose that one. And the Japan loss would be put down to "experimental".
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@gt12 said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
If we lost to Italy and he stayed in the job, it would show that the NZRU is completely rotten.
I actually think / hope we'll go OK, but that feeling is also very selection dependent. I reserve the right to go full Tim if some of these strange picks continue and we pay the price.
Last time we played Italy, we put 90 on them, so I'd expect I could coach a full strength AB team to beat them.
We beat England (admittedly, at home) with a week's coaching. We should have learned a few things since then and I don't think they've played since, so I'm quietly hopeful about that one.
Japan gave us a scare with a makeshift team a couple of years ago - but, the results of this vintage don't seem as good? England, Italy and Fiji all beat them handily, so surely we've got enough quality in our team to win this one.
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Italy are weird. They had an appalling world cup, but their home 6-nations results are decent.
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@mariner4life Have to admit- I'd paid no attention to them. Yeah - they troubled everyone except Ireland.
But, these Tier 2 teams who seem able to beat others often seem to struggle with our speed of play, so we cannot be living in fear of them.
Let's hope these aren't famous last words!
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@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@mariner4life Have to admit- I'd paid no attention to them. Yeah - they troubled everyone except Ireland.
But, these Tier 2 teams who seem able to beat others often seem to struggle with our speed of play, so we cannot be living in fear of them.
Let's hope these aren't famous last words!
I'm very confident we'll flog them
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@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
OK, so update below
@Grooter ! No expectations! (edit: no wins expected)
@MN5 @Victor-Meldrew only 1 win for a decent season? Optimistic much???
I voted before reading the question properly then couldn’t change it
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@MN5 said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
OK, so update below
@Grooter ! No expectations! (edit: no wins expected)
@MN5 @Victor-Meldrew only 1 win for a decent season? Optimistic much???
I voted before reading the question properly then couldn’t change it
interesting ... so how many wins for you then?
Edit: this is also the Fern way. Respond without reading. Don't watch the game. Not aimed at you
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@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@MN5 said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@nzzp said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
OK, so update below
@Grooter ! No expectations! (edit: no wins expected)
@MN5 @Victor-Meldrew only 1 win for a decent season? Optimistic much???
I voted before reading the question properly then couldn’t change it
interesting ... so how many wins for you then?
Edit: this is also the Fern way. Respond without reading. Don't watch the game. Not aimed at you
I’d probably go 2…..
and I’m not offended this is aimed at me
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@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
As just one example, half the Fern has been calling for Ardie Savea to be dropped. But, he's the reigning World Player of the Year. Wouldn't it be a lot more sensible to back him, coach him where he's been making errors and expect that he'll come right?
It would be sensible, but do this lot have that ability?
I would have thought Razor would have before this year but his feet seem stuck in cement, and Tubby Ryan is probably too busy getting his dong sucked by Shannon while throwing axes at Blues marketing posters, to be effective at anything.
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@Nepia said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
As just one example, half the Fern has been calling for Ardie Savea to be dropped. But, he's the reigning World Player of the Year. Wouldn't it be a lot more sensible to back him, coach him where he's been making errors and expect that he'll come right?
It would be sensible, but do this lot have that ability?
I would have thought Razor would have before this year but his feet seem stuck in cement, and Tubby Ryan is probably too busy getting his dong sucked by Shannon while throwing axes at Blues marketing posters, to be effective at anything.
Haven't they just named a Bluesman as their captain for Saturday?
0 Highlanders
1 Crusader
2 Blues
2 Canes
3 ChiefsIn Tubby's starting forward pack.
I expect great things!
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@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Nepia said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
@Chris-B said in Poll: AB wins on EOYT for a decent season:
As just one example, half the Fern has been calling for Ardie Savea to be dropped. But, he's the reigning World Player of the Year. Wouldn't it be a lot more sensible to back him, coach him where he's been making errors and expect that he'll come right?
It would be sensible, but do this lot have that ability?
I would have thought Razor would have before this year but his feet seem stuck in cement, and Tubby Ryan is probably too busy getting his dong sucked by Shannon while throwing axes at Blues marketing posters, to be effective at anything.
Haven't they just named a Bluesman as their captain for Saturday?
0 Highlanders
1 Crusader
2 Blues
2 Canes
3 ChiefsIn Tubby's starting forward pack.
I expect great things!
A c side for Japan as deflection from the actual point I see Mr marketing man ....
Why can't these guys get Savea back to his Foster form?
