World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game
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@Bones said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
I like watching SA. Good team.
Me too
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@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
The issue for me was consistency. If every head contact got a red card, happy days - but you wind up wiht the Cane (red) and Kolisi (not red). Or SBW (red) and Marler (not red). And then the head contacts near the ground where the tackler is crouched/bent and the runner comes down into them. Edit: and 'soaking tackles' that break cheekbones (not red).
It's fraught, and there are a shedload more red cards. This will drive the behaviour but not wreck games the same way. I'm all for it.
Inconsistency from the refs, and failure of WR to set good guidelines is the big problem
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@canefan said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
The issue for me was consistency. If every head contact got a red card, happy days - but you wind up wiht the Cane (red) and Kolisi (not red). Or SBW (red) and Marler (not red). And then the head contacts near the ground where the tackler is crouched/bent and the runner comes down into them. Edit: and 'soaking tackles' that break cheekbones (not red).
It's fraught, and there are a shedload more red cards. This will drive the behaviour but not wreck games the same way. I'm all for it.
Inconsistency from the refs, and failure of WR to set good guidelines is the big problem
That's why I like the Orange card Any head contact = 10 or 20 min orange card with replacement after. Red is permanent and for the dirty stuff it used to be (rare). Yellow for the things it used to be outside of head contact. No ifs buts or maybes hit the head = orange
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Not enough of a disincentive to make people tackle lower IMO, thought the way it was refereed in the NH before the World Cup last year was fine, consistency, protocols to allow mitigation, refs supported, players understood it. If Super rugby had done the same we wouldn’t have got into the shit we did at the World Cup.
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Haaaaated all the RCs at the RWC. Changes look ok to me. Definitely will favour NZ compared to some of the other sides. Irish won’t be pleased.
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NB I don’t think these are confirmed. Out for discussion.
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@Billy-Tell said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
NB I don’t think these are confirmed. Out for discussion.
The World Rugby Board has endorsed them next step moving to a global trial next season.
Fan-focused rugby laws move closer to global implementation after positive trials and World Rugby Executive Board endorsement | World Rugby
World Rugby has announced that a series of law trials aimed at enhancing both fan and player experience have moved a step closer towards global adoption following successful trials and endorsement from the international federation’s Executive Board.
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@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Not enough of a disincentive to make people tackle lower IMO, thought the way it was refereed in the NH before the World Cup last year was fine, consistency, protocols to allow mitigation, refs supported, players understood it. If Super rugby had done the same we wouldn’t have got into the shit we did at the World Cup.
How is being ejected from the game not enough of a disincentive, and what would you change if you were in charge?
For individual players, it's the exact same disincentive as with the old red cards. I don't really think players are thinking, 'Well, even if I get sent off for the match and banned for three games, my team will still have someone back on the field after 20 minutes so I'm not going to bother trying to tackle lower'.
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It’s not enough of an incentive for coaches to teach players to tackle lower - that means less time spent on it in practice. Saw a stat that suggested South Africa hit way lower than the other three teams in the RC - that’s not an accident, they’ve also had way fewer cards - they have the most scientific coaching team.
What I would do is enforce the current laws properly in the SH and tell the whinging prick commentators to shut up about it, head shots are fucking dangerous to players future lives. That’s the reason it was brought in in the first place.
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@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
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@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I haven’t spoken about this at all.
Are you sure you haven’t had a head knock ?
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@MN5 said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I haven’t spoken about this at all.
Are you sure you haven’t had a head knock ?
sorry, was Mr fish!
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@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@MN5 said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I haven’t spoken about this at all.
Are you sure you haven’t had a head knock ?
sorry, was Mr fish!
What did you call me ?
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@MN5 said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@MN5 said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I haven’t spoken about this at all.
Are you sure you haven’t had a head knock ?
sorry, was Mr fish!
What did you call me ?
I had a head knock
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@nzzp said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
I can't see any of the UK teams agreeing to a 20-minute red card and a return to head shots and significantly heightening the risk of players getting premature dementia. There will be enormous political and parliamentary pressure for this not to happen.
hot take: it's not the red card head shots that cause dementia.
second hot take: 20 min reds won't change behaviour if full reds don't either. @MN5 I think nailed it above on this - individuals don't want tog et carded; coaches don't want plaeyrs to get carded. The whole card is a bit of a mess at the moment.
The studies out of Ireland and apparently France and England show that tackle height have lowered and injuries have fallen since the policing of head high tackles was taken more seriously. South Africa have clearly lowered their tackle height as a result of the punishments for high tackles. It seems it has worked in most places. With one or two obvious exceptions…
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@Dodge said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Hate the 20 minute red card. The excuses re accidental head shots piss me off, if South Africa can coach their players to tackle lower then so can everyone else. Red for heads was an attempt to change behaviour, and it worked (for most teams)
The same South African team that had a player carded for tackling too high and hitting a player with his head, a tackle we see often resulting in red cards (even down here in the apparently lawlessness that is SH rugby).
As others have highlighted it's the inconsistency that's the issue.
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@Chris said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
⏱️60 conversion shot-clock
Like. Reduces time wasted.
⏱️ 30-second scrum and lineout limit, managed by the referee
Like. Reduces time wasted.
💪 Marking inside the 22m line from a restart
Like. forces either a long kick with risk of going in-goal, or contestable.
🏉 Single-stop mauls: The ball must be played after one stoppage in a maul
Ok. Like a good maul. Forces defenders to not spread.
🏉 Play-on un-straight line outs when uncontested
Don't like. If you throw it not straight it's your error. Have seen awful not straights, with this rule in place, where opposition just could not compete and pulled out of jumping called not contested. They couldn't contest. Just throw it straight. If you don't it's an error that should be punished.
🏉 Protection of the scrum-half at scrums, rucks and mauls.
Don't get this, need additional info. You can't play any player without the ball, but should be able to smack him as soon as he has ball in possession. If he gets swamped in a legit counter ruck tough shit.
📺 Television Match Official (TMO) protocol, empowering officials to spot clear infringements in the final phases before scoring.
Ok, but don't go looking for stuff that is inconclusive, only definitive (cough Taylor to Reece Bled 1)
🟥 A red-carded player can be replaced with another player after 20 minutes
Excellent for unintentional head contacts, in air collisions etc. Disagree with @Dodge about level of deterrent, it's plenty. But agree with those who suggest straight red for acts of thuggery (knees, boots, punches, eye gouge etc)
