All Blacks EOYT
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@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:
Does anyone think there is on onus on some of the older players to step aside when they know their goose is cooked?
The jersey is bigger than the individual and all that.
For example should Cane and TJP have stood themselves down?
The likes of McCaw timed their exits to coincide with the end of a World Cup cycle and knew when to exit stage left.
In the past players were dropped when not good enough. I can understand them wanting to play in the black jersey as long as they can, it's up the Razor to decide when their time is up
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:
A lot of players living a charmed life which historically is not the Allblack way
Incorrect, it has been this was for many years now where it is harder to get dropped, particularly completely from the squad once you have been selected.
The ABs has been more of a club than a rep team for a very long time
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
That's idle character assassination without any evidence.
Each subsequent post by @KiwiInLondon is an exercise in more obvious trolling.
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Back in the day it was Playboy with a Pamela Anderson centrefold under the bed. In the modern era it’s NZ Rugby World with the Sotutu pages stuck together and a few saucy Akira pictures missing. We need a dedicated thread for these lads.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
Back in the day it was Playboy with a Pamela Anderson centrefold under the bed. In the modern era it’s NZ Rugby World with the Sotutu pages stuck together and a few saucy Akira pictures missing. We need a dedicated thread for these lads.
Says the bloke who was Helen Keller during Super Rugby.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
Back in the day it was Playboy with a Pamela Anderson centrefold under the bed. In the modern era it’s NZ Rugby World with the Sotutu pages stuck together and a few saucy Akira pictures missing. We need a dedicated thread for these lads.
Says the bloke who was Helen Keller during Super Rugby.
TBH I like watching a match with braille. Gives you a really good feel for the game.
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@bayimports said in All Blacks EOYT:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
Maybe you have to read every article since the start of the international season to get an idea about what his agenda really is (hint, he fucking Haaaaates DMac)
But to start with "i hope we lose by shitloads so the coaches can pick who i want" is a fluffybunny move from a supposed journo. Then he basically goes on a long rant about the two old heads (a rant he's had before).
fair enough, cant say I have read much of his shit
You’ve made me realise that I don’t read any rugby articles at all anymore. I never go to NZH, Roar, RugbyPass. I don’t even click the links people post here
I watch games, form an opinion, then come here to have my opinions corrected by you guys.
Seems to be working ok for me so far.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks EOYT:
@bayimports said in All Blacks EOYT:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
Maybe you have to read every article since the start of the international season to get an idea about what his agenda really is (hint, he fucking Haaaaates DMac)
But to start with "i hope we lose by shitloads so the coaches can pick who i want" is a fluffybunny move from a supposed journo. Then he basically goes on a long rant about the two old heads (a rant he's had before).
fair enough, cant say I have read much of his shit
You’ve made me realise that I don’t read any rugby articles at all anymore. I never go to NZH, Roar, RugbyPass. I don’t even click the links people post here
I watch games, form an opinion, then come here to have my opinions corrected by you guys.
Seems to be working ok for me so far.
Hamish Bidwell is the reason journalists get paid what they do
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@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
@voodoo You’re missing the oportunity to read those articles then internally ridicule them for their inferior and stuid opinions
Stupid opinions as well
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks EOYT:
I remember thinking at the time that Justin marshall hung around longer than he should have, was playing past him prime….but can’t think of too many people since…until the last few years
Marshall is a very good example of what this coaching group should be doing with some of the experienced guys.
In 2004, The Cartel went to Europe without all the old stagers like Marshall, Mehrts and Carlos - basically because they wanted the younger guys, the starts of the future to step out of their shadows and also to allow them to develop their own new high performance culture and move away from a culture that was not delivering results (and in some respects had become a bit toxic - see the binge drinking session after the 2004 humiliation by the Boks).
That’s probably what is needed now, and we can’t do that if we are selecting guys on the basis that they are there to share their experience of this stale and increasingly unsuccessful culture.
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@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks EOYT:
I remember thinking at the time that Justin marshall hung around longer than he should have, was playing past him prime….but can’t think of too many people since…until the last few years
Marshall is a very good example of what this coaching group should be doing with some of the experienced guys.
In 2004, The Cartel went to Europe without all the old stagers like Marshall, Mehrts and Carlos - basically because they wanted the younger guys, the starts of the future to step out of their shadows and also to allow them to develop their own new high performance culture and move away from a culture that was not delivering results (and in some respects had become a bit toxic - see the binge drinking session after the 2004 humiliation by the Boks).
That’s probably what is needed now, and we can’t do that if we are selecting guys on the basis that they are there to share their experience of this stale and increasingly unsuccessful culture.
That was largely to get rid of the negative drinking culture that existed within the team and saw the All Blacks take a massive step towards professionalism. You could argue they've gone too far the other way now (not enough individualism) but it wasn't like they were just looking to give more opportunities to younger players, they were looking to flush out some bad eggs and put them on notice, which is quite different to the current situation.
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@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks EOYT:
I remember thinking at the time that Justin marshall hung around longer than he should have, was playing past him prime….but can’t think of too many people since…until the last few years
Marshall is a very good example of what this coaching group should be doing with some of the experienced guys.
In 2004, The Cartel went to Europe without all the old stagers like Marshall, Mehrts and Carlos - basically because they wanted the younger guys, the starts of the future to step out of their shadows and also to allow them to develop their own new high performance culture and move away from a culture that was not delivering results (and in some respects had become a bit toxic - see the binge drinking session after the 2004 humiliation by the Boks).
That’s probably what is needed now, and we can’t do that if we are selecting guys on the basis that they are there to share their experience of this stale and increasingly unsuccessful culture.
That's because they had blokes like DC, McGOAT, Weepu coming through. Two if which we new back then would go on to greatness.
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
For right or for wrong, they view Sotutu as a bit of a sulker- a flat track bully.
During the selection process, Robertson sat down with players and pored over match footage, while ahead of the squad naming, assistant coach Jason Ryan made it clear the selectors would be analysing players’ body language when the going got tough.
“We believe Wallace is an incredible young talent, the harder the game, the higher he rose in regards to his performance,” Robertson said.
Your first sentence seems to be the direct opposite to what Roberston said, and it also seems to suggest that body language is bullshit.
Apparently as the game gets harder (got tougher) his performance rises, but that doesn't count because his body language didn't match what Tubby wanted.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks EOYT:
@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks EOYT:
I remember thinking at the time that Justin marshall hung around longer than he should have, was playing past him prime….but can’t think of too many people since…until the last few years
Marshall is a very good example of what this coaching group should be doing with some of the experienced guys.
In 2004, The Cartel went to Europe without all the old stagers like Marshall, Mehrts and Carlos - basically because they wanted the younger guys, the starts of the future to step out of their shadows and also to allow them to develop their own new high performance culture and move away from a culture that was not delivering results (and in some respects had become a bit toxic - see the binge drinking session after the 2004 humiliation by the Boks).
That’s probably what is needed now, and we can’t do that if we are selecting guys on the basis that they are there to share their experience of this stale and increasingly unsuccessful culture.
That's because they had blokes like DC, McGOAT, Weepu coming through. Two if which we new back then would go on to greatness.
And we have Roigard and Sititi who we know will go onto greatness.
Mind you, Roigard and Sititi aren't Cantabs are they?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks EOYT:
@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks EOYT:
I remember thinking at the time that Justin marshall hung around longer than he should have, was playing past him prime….but can’t think of too many people since…until the last few years
Marshall is a very good example of what this coaching group should be doing with some of the experienced guys.
In 2004, The Cartel went to Europe without all the old stagers like Marshall, Mehrts and Carlos - basically because they wanted the younger guys, the starts of the future to step out of their shadows and also to allow them to develop their own new high performance culture and move away from a culture that was not delivering results (and in some respects had become a bit toxic - see the binge drinking session after the 2004 humiliation by the Boks).
That’s probably what is needed now, and we can’t do that if we are selecting guys on the basis that they are there to share their experience of this stale and increasingly unsuccessful culture.
That's because they had blokes like DC, McGOAT, Weepu coming through. Two if which we new back then would go on to greatness.
And we have Roigard and Sititi who we know will go onto greatness.
Mind you, Roigard and Sititi aren't Cantabs are they?
Snoochies
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@Nepia said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
For right or for wrong, they view Sotutu as a bit of a sulker- a flat track bully.
During the selection process, Robertson sat down with players and pored over match footage, while ahead of the squad naming, assistant coach Jason Ryan made it clear the selectors would be analysing players’ body language when the going got tough.
“We believe Wallace is an incredible young talent, the harder the game, the higher he rose in regards to his performance,” Robertson said.
Your first sentence seems to be the direct opposite to what Roberston said, and it also seems to suggest that body language is bullshit.
Apparently as the game gets harder (got tougher) his performance rises, but that doesn't count because his body language didn't match what Tubby wanted.
I read that article and the criteria could be any one of the following
A. Why Razor selects players (?)
B both sides of the ball
C is a test player (?)
D is physical
E leads stats
F good body language when going gets tough
Also it is clear that several people select.... Maybe I missed some as well but nowhere could the inevitable conclusion be that Sotutu sulks AND is a flat track bully.
My point was that AB loosies played the most test style rugby (I think I was right to say Darry deserved an AB chance) and Sotutu also deserved his chance and seems to have worked on whatever he had been told to work on before so thanks Crusaders supporters for continually having to bring this up again..
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