All Blacks EOYT
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
I think Plummers underwhelming attacking stats while also making the most mistakes (turnovers) per game is more damning personally.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Source - https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/01/club-rugby-stats-hub
Tackling % 2024 Super Rugby
Blues
Perofeta - 83%
Plummer - 83%Chiefs
McKenzie - 75%Crusaders
Fergus Burke - 71%
Riley Hohepa - 76%
Rivez Reihana - 80%Highlanders
Ajay Faleafaga - 67%
Cameron Millar - 80%Hurricanes
Brett Cameron 62%
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
A poor defending 10 is a millstone around a team's neck if you are playing a side with decent ball-carriers.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
They are more than 10% worse than the top 10 for three of the four nations you mention. And I really hope the All Blacks aren't going to lose to Scotland any time soon.
You want to be entertained. I don't want my side to lose. These days the NZR thinks like you.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
They are more than 10% worse than the top 10 for three of the four nations you mention. And I really hope the All Blacks aren't going to lose to Scotland any time soon.
You want to be entertained. I don't want my side to lose. These days the NZR thinks like you.
It sounds like you're shifting the goal posts now. You claimed Dmacs tackling percentage is unheard of in 'major European competitions', yet every player I named there is leading MAJOR European clubs/countries in Europe today in the Champions cup and their respective leagues. These players are all in starting Six Nations 23 man squads.
You cant just cherry pick the top tacklers here while ignoring half the list that has a worse tackling percentage and claim it proves Dmacs inadequacy vs northern teams.
And if you are saying you'd drop Dmac for his tackling percentage (which is 75 to Plummers 83) and in turn take all of Plummers negatives (worse kicker, more turnovers/mistakes, inferior by a massive margin on attack) then we just fundamentally disagree.
I'm not taking a vastly inferior player in nearly every metric because his tackling percentage is 7% higher.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Speaking of double dutch how big is his younger brother Quentin who apparently is a well built lock/6 himself?
Much shorter (relatively speaking).
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
He’ll be fabian in the XV.
If razor needs to borrow him for the ABs will he tell Clayton to pass the dutchie?
Only if he packs down on the left hand side
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Speaking of double dutch how big is his younger brother Quentin who apparently is a well built lock/6 himself?
Much shorter (relatively speaking).
A similar size to Oil Haig/Will Stodart. More primarily a six than a lock.
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Dmac completed more tackles per 80 minutes than any other NZ 10 to play more than 5 games.
Completed per 80 minutes
6.57 Mckenzie
5.26 Ioane
4.85 PlummerMckenize, Plummer, and Perofeta are the top 3 for total.
Total completed tackles:
83 Mckenzie
71 Plummer
33 Perofeta -
x 100
