All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
And if Sam Whitelock didn't steal that lineout off Victor, maybe the Jaapies would have forced a penalty, beaten us, stormed to the title. Completed a three-peat. And we'd be sad mofos looking at 5-2 RWC's - with one of ours that they were barred from!
Fine margins.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I have a feeling DH will play so well off the bench they take him and play him at 12 on the EOYT...grrr.
He's from Ta$man. As @Kiwimurph will tell you, we're the masters of the last minute kick to win!
Fozzie's greatest mistake was putting ALB instead of DH on the RWC Final bench.
Sub him on with 8 minutes to go!
BOOM - that's how it's done Jordie!
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Landers92 your inside oil was on the money.
That 23 is laughably conservative.
Yup pretty bloody reliable. Always a little unsure posting it in here when you see a few names but all you can do is trust the old reliable and share it. I’ll always throw info/team details in here as I hear it as it’s yet to be incorrect info and creates some good chat.
The fern knew the backline 2 days before the rest of the world did!
do you know why the forwards weren't known, waiting on injury news perhaps?
Source wasn’t able to get that information other than Tuipolotu was likely back in the mix.
The rest were unchanged, so not huge news.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA Ehmed has looked good on NH highlights reels.
Have watched a bit of him going around. Kicking well, generally speaking, and not afraid to take on the line.
Hard to get a gauge of how he's going to run around next year, given the competition for spots. Maybe he could shift into a second five role at the Tahs?
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
That's my point. People are setting unrealistic expectations of this team. They are good, but not the best in the world.
How many all blacks would make a world XV is always a good question. I'd suggest you could argue zero right now, which makes it a big ask to be the best team in the world.
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On reflection, given the TRC squad not sure the selectors had much choice with the 23.
Once Vaa’i’s shoulder fine the tight five pick themselves. If you want a shoulder on the field at all times and don’t start Finau (for me not a bench player) then Cane and Jacobson only choices. Ideally it would be Sititi or RD at 8, but then who at 6 if Nighles not a hund
In backs makes sense to give Beaudy a run at 10. Maximise by TJS at 9 in CakeTin.
So WJ and Reece to 14 for combo (BTW Telea hasn’t had a start at his favoured 14). Proctor inexperienced at 12 so AlB there and Havili on bench.
Bell and Hotham too green so rest of bench can’t really be criticised.
Bottom line being that TWM are reaping the rewards of a seriously flawed TRC squad selection!
TBC….
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I have a feeling DH will play so well off the bench they take him and play him at 12 on the EOYT...grrr.
He's from Ta$man. As @Kiwimurph will tell you, we're the masters of the last minute kick to win!
Fozzie's greatest mistake was putting ALB instead of DH on the RWC Final bench.
Sub him on with 8 minutes to go!
BOOM - that's how it's done Jordie!
Not bad at all, would look better if he did that in a black shirt, mind.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I have a feeling DH will play so well off the bench they take him and play him at 12 on the EOYT...grrr.
He's from Ta$man. As @Kiwimurph will tell you, we're the masters of the last minute kick to win!
Fozzie's greatest mistake was putting ALB instead of DH on the RWC Final bench.
Sub him on with 8 minutes to go!
BOOM - that's how it's done Jordie!
Not bad at all, would look better if he did that in a black shirt, mind.
Not sure making best use of player's primary skills is within the AB coach remit.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 I’m not sure I disagree, but the point isn’t the selection for Saturday. Rather the TRC squad selection was seriously flawed.
Well, you said the rest of the bench can''t be criticized, and I think that if you have squaddies you can't pick because they aren't ready, then there is still plenty to criticize.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
In backs makes sense to give Beaudy a run at 10. Maximise by TJS at 9 in CakeTin.
really interested in your thinking on this.
For me, it's play DMac every game unless you're managing minutes. He's very much developing as a Test 10, but is the best we've got. BB is 130 tests deep and you know what he brings (tuck the ball, run into contact). He's a known quantity.
I just don't understand the dropping of DMac after all the good things he's created it appears he's being disciplined for not finishing off chances. Which I struggle with I guess.
DMac > Mo'unga at Test level. So play him, commit to him, and get the best out of him.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
This thread is just a hive of negativity and frankly quite boring to read.
I'll offer some positivity: I hope Sam and TJ have storming games. Cane for his milestone and TJ because it's his last, at home in front of family and friends.
On TJ; at his best he's a phenomenal rugby player and to come back from his injury is a testament to his drive and professionalism. I hope on Saturday he winds back the years and has a test to remember.
Have to say even though I don't think they should be starting based on form, seeing TJ and Beaudy start together again in Wellington is awesome, especially considering it's TJ's last test in NZ, and potentially last test for the ABs.
