Should Ardie play 7?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I think Ardie and Paps should play 7 on the EOYT after Cane gets the 💯
Sititi to 8God fucking dammit if I see one more "Ardie should start at 7" post...
Based on fucking what? He's been at 8 for like 5 years. No part of his game looks like a restrained 7.
This feels like "Ardie is playing shit but it's not his fault" opinion because he's one of the black shirted untouchables
But Ardie played 7 last season in Japan.......
....like Scott Robertson set up an U19 team at Sumner Rugby Club -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Because he's fucking dumb
I reckon Ardie playing 8 in the first place was fucking dumb. It only happened because Cane was named captain so was untouchable at 7, and it has fucked our loosie balance for years.
Now Ardie at 8 is untouchable apparently. -
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Do we think Sam Cane gets his 99th on Saturday, 100th the following week and then misses EOYT?
Reckon they'll stick with him and look for new 7 the next couple of years. Dunno who though.
Lakai?
Absolutely, he'll pass everyone by the next World Cup IMO (including Ardie). Lakai will be on the EOYT, there's no better 7 in the NPC atm.
I really wouldn't be surprised if our 7 and 8 at the next WC was Lakai and Sititi.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Well we better uncover a really big 6 then.
Why? Lakai is around 110kg which is fine for an international 7, and Sititi is around 114kg which is definitely big enough for an 8.
Oliver Haig and Caleb Delany have the potential to come into the fray at 6 over the next couple years. Both around 1.96m and 115kg.
That would be a big loose forward trio compared to what we have now, way more balanced as well than all these 6.5 / 7.5 players we have atm.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Because he's fucking dumb
I reckon Ardie playing 8 in the first place was fucking dumb. It only happened because Cane was named captain so was untouchable at 7, and it has fucked our loosie balance for years.
Now Ardie at 8 is untouchable apparently.Hear, hear.
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I've heard plenty about how our young props and locks have developed over the last year.
There are very few on here happy with the loosies. It's time for change including some incumbents. -
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Because he's fucking dumb
I reckon Ardie playing 8 in the first place was fucking dumb. It only happened because Cane was named captain so was untouchable at 7, and it has fucked our loosie balance for years.
Now Ardie at 8 is untouchable apparently.Hear, hear.
Question: was there a gap at 8 at the Canes? Or was Ardie moved there for higher honours?
I'm pretty sure when Sam Cane first appeared in the ABs he was touted as being able to play in any of the 3 loose forward positions. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Because he's fucking dumb
I reckon Ardie playing 8 in the first place was fucking dumb. It only happened because Cane was named captain so was untouchable at 7, and it has fucked our loosie balance for years.
Now Ardie at 8 is untouchable apparently.It also happened as he was so good off the base of the scrum. He started playing 7 but 8 on attacking scrums then morphed from there. They actually had him at 6 for ages too, with Read 8
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I think it was more finding a spot for both Cane and Savea in the same loose forward trio.
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Be good if they stuck with Delaney at 6 for the Canes but he's blocked by Shields.
Flanders is also better than Shields.
It would be interesting to see Iose developed into a specialist bench player who can cove midfield like Kwagga.
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@BerniesCorner I don't think you'll get an argument from anyone on that one.
It's the notion that Ardie at seven is part of the solution that I have issues with
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Well the starting point could be trying Sititi at 8.
Savea hasn't been in top form recently but has the goods to play 6, 7 or 8.
I like a quick jackling 7.
Lakai possibly.
I thought Blackadder was good in SA.
Roigard and Sititi will give us running options
Savea super sub? -
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Last time he was seen as a 7, journeyman Matt Todd jumped ahead of him.
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@brodean said in Should Ardie play 7:
Be good if they stuck with Delaney at 6 for the Canes but he's blocked by Shields.
Flanders is also better than Shields.
It would be interesting to see Iose developed into a specialist bench player who can cove midfield like Kwagga.
Delany isn't necessarily blocked by Shields, Shields is only getting older so his minutes will be more limited next year. TK Howden is also another young player that looks to have the goods at 6 but he needs more game time at Super aswell, but then we also have Flanders so there are a number of options there. Howden has definitely been the shining light in a poor Manawatu side so far.
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