All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Absolutely definitely without doubt a must win game. No coach wants to lose the first Bledisloe ever. Maybe new talent in game 2.
is it though? In the modern rugby environment, this is about as close to a nothing game as you can get. If we lose, we don't lose the Bledisloe, in fact we get a test at home to retain it. We can't win the RC. We are playing the 9th ranked team in the world, which in the recent past would see a veritable "B" team rolled out.
agreed...scrambling to win a bit of a dead rubber just to save some face...is a bit weak
especially as theyre not bring Sir Richie and DC out of retirement to win it...the safe option is to role out some guys largely out of form just because "experience"
question, what are the rules re the squad? are the actually bound by who they named originally?
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Why is Clarke the only in form wing in the ABs environment?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
Probably - but, we're fielding Sititi, Ratima, Aumua, Tosi and Darry - so 20 percent of the team is effectively newbies.
Oh come on, Aumua is hardly a newbie haha. Sititi and Tosi are injury enforced and Darry wasn't even used last week.
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Throwing this out there...Aussie could surprise us here- maybe not win ...probably not win but push us all the way.
Forget them v Pumas they won the first and got ahead of themselves - they will be up v us and might see us as fragile as them.
Joe Schmitt is no fool -
If the game is close, that's a pretty big inditement on the coaching and selection.
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Absolutely
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Beaudy straight back in to fullback.
Dont really get it myself.
Id love him to prove me wrong but his goose looked cooked a long time ago.
I wonder if Love would have started if he was available.
Looks and sounds like it may have been on the bench in the 23 jersey(which Reece now has). If not, I know the idea was a game next weekend in Wellington if all went well this weekend coming.
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@African-Monkey Aumua's had 4 test starts.
The others are all playing in this game.
Maybe we should have picked Eddie Jones and Mark the Hammer as our coaches - these were guys who knew how to have a good cleanout!
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Throwing this out there...Aussie could surprise us here- maybe not win ...probably not win but push us all the way.
Forget them v Pumas they won the first and got ahead of themselves - they will be up v us and might see us as fragile as them.
Joe Schmitt is no foolThe two weeks between this and the disgrace of giving up will have had them develop a siege mentality about proving they're not mentally weak/ doing the jersey justice/ line in the sand etc.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Throwing this out there...Aussie could surprise us here- maybe not win ...probably not win but push us all the way.
Forget them v Pumas they won the first and got ahead of themselves - they will be up v us and might see us as fragile as them.
Joe Schmitt is no foolThe two weeks between this and the disgrace of giving up will have had them develop a siege mentality about proving they're not mentally weak/ doing the jersey justice/ line in the sand etc.
especially after the northern hemisphere had a real crack at them after that last loss as well
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Aumua's had 4 test starts.
The others are all playing in this game.
Maybe we should have picked Eddie Jones and Mark the Hammer as our coaches - these were guys who knew how to have a good cleanout!
Doesn't make Aumua a newbie. He's been in the environment for years and what comes off the bench these days is just as important as the guys starting. Yes, the others are playing this game, more due to being injury enforced than anything else, and as we saw against the boks, the may not even get used.
Well yeah, not saying pick those guys for one second, but some guys could be moved on.
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Bell
Faessler
Tupou
Frost
Williams
Valetini
McReight
Wilson (c)
White
Lolesio
Koroibete
Paisami
Ikitau
Kellaway
WrightBPA, Slipper, AAA, LSL, Gleeson, Taint, Lynagh, Pietsch
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Without knowing the teams, and given the current weather forecast, I'll go ABs by 31-35.
In light of the Wallabies being named, I will adjust this to ABs by 35-40
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@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Form
in SRseems totally irrelevant now.Fixed it. A lot of these guys have been crap for ABs, but the same shit of selecting experience rather than a bit more on form.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
Razor is Foster-lite
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Let's face it most people are lighter than Foz
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Do we think Sam Cane gets his 99th on Saturday, 100th the following week and then misses EOYT?
Reckon they'll stick with him and look for new 7 the next couple of years. Dunno who though.
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My 2c.
Happy with XV.
Would rather have:
Hotham at 21
Paps at 20I think there was perhaps an opportunity for an extra forward by dropping Reece.
Have high hopes for Tosi.
Williams, Aumua, Tosi could be a fair replacement front row.
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I like the team Schmidt has chosen. It's close to our strongest so far.
I don't think we will win but I wouldn't underestimate this team either. They are solid at set piece, a bit limited around the ground but they will give a good account of themselves.
I'll tip the ABs by 15 but it might be close at HT and I'd look at the odds of a Wallabies/All Blacks HT/FT double if you are that way inclined.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Let's face it most people are lighter than Foz
Yeah, that was my scalpel like witty point
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@Machpants too incisive for me
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Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have heard unconfirmed rumours on Love Rieko DMac and Hotham this week (2 with injuries) . But the silence from official sources is deafening.
NRL is superior in generating interest in so many ways. AB fans are just left with speculation to chew on.Without speculation this thread would only be 36 posts long by now not 360
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
Razor was always going to have to bring newbies in after the mass migration from post WC. I guess with all the hype of how great a coach he is he has had to try and balance getting the wins for us the public versus trying new things and players with a view to start building for 2027
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have heard unconfirmed rumours on Love Rieko DMac and Hotham this week (2 with injuries) . But the silence from official sources is deafening.
NRL is superior in generating interest in so many ways. AB fans are just left with speculation to chew on.Without speculation this thread would only be 36 posts long by now not 360
Or 3,600 - with conversation.
Although - to be fair... I don't really give a shit. 'tis what it is, and the only place I ever get news is TSF, I think I actually prefer the quiet. I'm not sure I'd like constant instagram screenshots and comments on them. -
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
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darylmitchellreplied to canefan on 19 Sept 2024, 07:02 last edited by darylmitchell 19 Sept 2024, 07:06
@canefan glassadder? mousebladder? backstabber(ing) pain?
Is it time to make the man a subject of national medical research interests?
"I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms, at night I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep."
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@Nevorian Yeah. By the very demand that we win every test, we limit the amount that the coach is prepared to experiment. Part of the reason why I reckon it would be great to revert to the old time tours of the 70s and prior.
Fozzie had the same problem - especially in 2022 when the guillotine was hovering!
I've written previously about the implications of the exodus post RWC - Whitelock, Retallick, Coles, Nepo, Smith, Moúnga, Frizell, Fainga'anuku (right now, Big Leicester might be quite handy) and probably a few others I'm already forgetting.
But, when we're thinking about our lack of bench impact in SA - we still were missing de Groot, Taukei'aho, Tuipolotu, Papali'i,/Blackadder, Roigard and Clarke.
We're a bit thin this year - but, I'm not panicking. I thought we might drop one against England, I was disappointed to lose one vs the Argies. It would have been a pleasant surprise to win one vs SA, but as things turned out I'm disappointed we didn't sneak one, when we could and probably should've.
Can't afford to drop one vs Oz to get a pass on the year.
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@Kirwan like when a superior ABs team smashed the French twice in France in 2006, then proceeded to lose against the same team in the QF in 2007?
Or when a superior ABs beat a France team without a coach comfortably in the pool stages, then squeaked home in the final (albeit without Carter)?
Or when the ABs squeaked home against Ireland one week, then smashed them by 60 the next week?
Maybe the Ozzies will play well at home, with home support, and emotion will keep them in the game. Rugby is a funny old game. There is no given. no matter how good your team is. Especially if you go into it expecting to win. That is normally when egg hits the face and monumental upsets happen
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Thanks for posting
It's interesting to hear him talk about how well set piece is going but he doesn't touch on exits/restarts.
Our exit/restart work sucks every game in this regime
In 2024 set piece should also include kickoffs/restarts in my view
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
It depends exactly what that experience is, though. If the experience is coming off the bench, shitting the bed and giving up a game-winning position, then he couldn't have been more wrong.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Do we think Sam Cane gets his 99th on Saturday, 100th the following week and then misses EOYT?
Reckon they'll stick with him and look for new 7 the next couple of years. Dunno who though.
I have it on good authority that this next dynamo 7 is Oli Mathis apparently
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
nice, I think Malk could be his sponsor
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsimpsons.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FMalk&psig=AOvVaw09N0qv0IQujxd2DDomGeqC&ust=1726821016722000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBQQjRxqFwoTCPjr-ePLzogDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Aumua's had 4 test starts.
The others are all playing in this game.
Maybe we should have picked Eddie Jones and Mark the Hammer as our coaches - these were guys who knew how to have a good cleanout!
Still fluffing your boy the Hammettuer after all these years, I admire your commitment.
But, I think you need to look up the definition of good, years of mediocrity on the field and a shrinking of the fanbase is not "good". -
@Nepia Isn't all those guys with Canes affiliations we need to be shot of (according to popular opinion here?)
TJ, Ardie, Beauden - and Cane himself! We might lose Jordie as collateral damage, but why worry?
Seems like Hammer's just the man!
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