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    Speaking of upward curves and longterm issues
    If I can suggest one glaring issue from a quick glance at match stats, our reserve bench almost never add points since the start of 2023 against major teams.

    Rugby Database: All Blacks Rugby profile, stats, history & records

    The few that have are fast players for their position, DMac, Ioane, Coles etc.
    Newell is there but in general we don't seem to be tiring the opposition, at most we are lucky to surprise them. Going back to 2023 reduced RWC, Clarke scored 1 off the bench against Oz but overall our bench is not a weapon.

    I suggest the AB bench has been conservative and expecting to maintain a standard or push ahead due to supposed superior fitness - but if so, it isn't working.

    Further, usually there are 3 or so tries by backs for every single try by forwards but there haven't been many tries overall apart from blowouts against minnows. Quite clearly one factor is the Bok's impressive defence:

    Rugby Database: The Rugby Championship 2024 Profile & Stats

    I'm interested to see how the bench does in the Bledisloe.

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    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

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    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

    Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.

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    The fuck? Has Landers not posted the team yet?

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    @Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    The fuck? Has Landers not posted the team yet?

    @Landers92 what's the go bro?

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    @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @Victor-Meldrew I think the record number of Test losses in a year is 5 in 1998. We're on to equal or better that - in fairness off 14 games not 7, but hey.

    I really hope we're on the upward curve, but I'm yet to be convinced

    6 In 1949. But it has huge asterisk that the team losing four in SA without any Maori players, was playing at the same time as the best of the rest losing two (at home) to Aus.

    So 5 can be considered worst by unconditionally selected team.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    The fuck? Has Landers not posted the team yet?

    Give the man a week

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    @booboo Thanks. Before my time!

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    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    The fuck? Has Landers not posted the team yet?

    @Landers92 what's the go bro?

    Hahaha. Hopefully have some chat mid next week, always helps that they are back in NZ as well. Will try my best

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    I know last week skewed the numbers, but it’s pretty wild that Oz have a -83 points differential over 4 games

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    @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

    Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.

    It's not the losses that are annoying me.

    It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.

    Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

    Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.

    It's not the losses that are annoying me.

    It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.

    Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.

    Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.

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    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

    Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.

    It's not the losses that are annoying me.

    It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.

    Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.

    Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.

    If Razor had picked more form players from SR, I don't think he would have seen the level of discourse he's seeing now

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.

    I can kinda understand why he did go with what he did, mostly what he knew and then deferred to Ryan as well.

    Maybe the EOYT is when we will see something a bit different (c 2002 ABs)

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    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

    Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.

    It's not the losses that are annoying me.

    It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.

    Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.

    Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.

    Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.

    They knew what they were getting into.

    It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

    Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.

    It's not the losses that are annoying me.

    It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.

    Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.

    Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.

    Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.

    They knew what they were getting into.

    It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.

    Unheard of? Lol utter bullshit. Hansen was supposed to stand down 2016, so foster had over two fucking years.

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

    Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.

    It's not the losses that are annoying me.

    It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.

    Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.

    Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.

    Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.

    They knew what they were getting into.

    It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.

    Unheard of? Lol utter bullshit. Hansen was supposed to stand down 2016, so foster had over two fucking years.

    I'm talking about from being officially named coach.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team

    Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.

    It's not the losses that are annoying me.

    It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.

    Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.

    Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.

    Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.

    They knew what they were getting into.

    It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.

    Unheard of? Lol utter bullshit. Hansen was supposed to stand down 2016, so foster had over two fucking years.

    I'm talking about from being officially named coach.

    He knew he was going to be coach from then, even if not officially named. And he was in the camp with all the inside info that Razor wouldn't of had

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    He knew he was going to be coach from then, even if not officially named. And he was in the camp with all the inside info that Razor wouldn't of had

    It was quite a seamless transition; the decline continued at a steady pace.

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