All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Mr-Fish Scott Barrett, Ardie Savea (I know he was in Japan rather than Super Rugby), Damien McKenzie and Aumua have all been very poor this year.
Jordie Barrett and Beauden Barrett have been very inconsistent.
I don't know how you can call Damian very poor and at the same time just call Jordie/Beauden 'very inconsistent'.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
That's just not true...
Taylor and Vaa'i are definitely in better form.
Lomax, Darry, Sititi, Ratima, McKenzie, Ioane are all playing as well, if not better than they did during Super.
De Groot, Finau, Perenara, Jordie Barrett are pretty much on par.
A number of others have had injuries during either Super or the international season so it's hard to get a clear answer one way or another. Others haven't had a huge number of starting opportunities.
None of those players are playing better than they were in Super Rugby. Taylor and Vaa’i were both excellent in Super Rugby so they doing what they did in SR.
Darry was definitely better for the Blues. Sititi hasn't reached the same level as what he displayed for the Chiefs. He's made mistakes that he wasn't making in Super Ruvby
Ratima has been a mixed bag for the ABs as have been the rest of those players you named. We consistently saw a strong running game from Ratima in SR but we only began to see glimpsed of that this for the ABs.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
That's just not true...
Taylor and Vaa'i are definitely in better form.
Lomax, Darry, Sititi, Ratima, McKenzie, Ioane are all playing as well, if not better than they did during Super.
De Groot, Finau, Perenara, Jordie Barrett are pretty much on par.
A number of others have had injuries during either Super or the international season so it's hard to get a clear answer one way or another. Others haven't had a huge number of starting opportunities.
None of those players are playing better than they were in Super Rugby. Taylor and Vaa’i were both excellent in Super Rugby so they doing what they did in SR.
Darry was definitely better for the Blues. Sititi hasn't reached the same level as what he displayed for the Chiefs. He's made mistakes that he wasn't making in Super Ruvby
Ratima has been a mixed bag for the ABs as have been the rest of those players you named. We consistently saw a strong running game from Ratima in SR but we only began to see glimpsed of that this week.
You're contradicting yourself between your own posts.
To be honest, I've basically disagreed with every single thing you've posted over the last week so we obviously just see thing very differently.
Will have to agree to disagree!
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@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
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@No-Quarter Thanks. Sometimes it’s a way of purging frustration! First half pretty good so no Rewatch.
Once the English and Fiji were out of way I’d have dropped TJ and kept Christie as the experienced 9. More suited to game plan, and with a future post 2024.
Suspect we would have won at least one of the Bok games with him and Ratima in tandem. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
I think you will find Hotham will go on the EOYT
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
I think you will find Hotham will go on the EOYT
And TJ will not.I hope Lakai and not cane. I'm pissed he is still around. Not that he can't (sometomes) do the job but FFS move on!
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@pakman I really enjoy your re-watch summaries, so thanks for posting. Agree with you that TJP slowed our attack down, despite him actually being the best player off the bench. It's been a problem for a long time, where we have a halfback (Smith, Ratima) that have really quick clearance, then we are bringing on a halfback in the mould of Justin Marshall that changes the way we play completely. TJPs game suits an attritional style of play where his running game and defense really come to the fore. But that's just not how the ABs under Razor want to play; we want to play this up-tempo game to get around the rush D but we keep persisting with a player that isn't suited to that role.
Agree completely. However there doesn't seem much value in giving Hotham 10 minutes here and there when he's getting the boot as soon as Roigard is back, so while I disagree with TJ being there I do understand it.
I think you will find Hotham will go on the EOYT
And TJ will not.I hope Lakai and not cane. I'm pissed he is still around. Not that he can't (sometomes) do the job but FFS move on!
Yeah I agree Cane and TJ can move on get Lakai in there as well start building for next year.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I've started doing crosswords to ward off dementia
So have I but suspect I left it too late!!
That’s the 4th time you have replied to that post Dan 🤦♂️
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I've started doing crosswords to ward off dementia
So have I but suspect I left it too late!!
That’s the 4th time you have replied to that post Dan 🤦♂️
Post? What post Grubs???
