Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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Barrett has dined out on coming on as a sub and rinsing Maro Itoje on the outside to set up a try for the whole season. He has had plenty of gaffes since.
For all the talk of good comms and good positioning etc we conceded 38 against Argentina and 31 against the Boks. If Ruben Love is there are we gonna concede 50?
I don’t know how it can be any worse if we give Love or Ratima or Proctor or Sititi a go. The championship is essentially lost now.
DMAC and Beaudy put us under so much pressure with miracle chip and chases and cross field balls.
Remember the final passage against Ireland in 2013 where Crotty scored in the corner. We went 60 meters ball in hand. Nobody countenanced kicking it away.
Beaudy kicked it away twice in the last two minutes this weekend. He is completely gun shy.
Take contact set up another ruck and go again. We may even win a penalty .
Booting it away twice is ridiculous.
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
DMAC and Beaudy put us under so much pressure with miracle chip and chases and cross field balls.
Remember the final passage against Ireland in 2013 where Crotty scored in the corner. We went 60 meters ball in hand. Nobody countenanced kicking it away.
Beaudy kicked it away twice in the last two minutes this weekend. He is completely gun shy.
Take contact set up another ruck and go again. We may even win a penalty .
Booting it away twice is ridiculous.
Absolutely stupid!
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@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
What I didn't expect was the poor mental performance late in games
yep, that isnt great.
looking across most of our super sides and what is coming through NPC, seems alot of 6.5s out there...
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The focus for change should be on the loose forwards, but the squad selection has left us nowhere to go there.
Ardie's form warrants being benched, but we don't have anyone to replace him as we left Sotutu out despite him being in career best form so we only have complete rookie Sititi to fall back on.
Cane and Paps are as good as we have at 7, so either of them is fine.
Blackadder is really struggling with the physicality needed at 6. He hasn't played badly, and he has a high work rate, but he does not make dominant tackles and has zero impact with ball in hand. The coaches made their bed with rookie Finau but surprise surprise, he's finding the step up to test level a bit tough. Again we've left ourselves nowhere to go as we let Akira in career best form leave NZ rugby altogether.
That's where the ABs biggest weakness by miles is right now, and it was SAs loosies that got them over the line in the end. Our tight 5 and backline are outstanding - Vaa'i and Darry have been revelations in the locking department - but we're being let down big time by our loose forwards.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The focus for change should be on the loose forwards, but the squad selection has left us nowhere to go there.
Ardie's form warrants being benched, but we don't have anyone to replace him as we left Sotutu out despite him being in career best form so we only have complete rookie Sititi to fall back on.
Cane and Paps are as good as we have at 7, so either of them is fine.
Blackadder is really struggling with the physicality needed at 6. He hasn't played badly, and he has a high work rate, but he does not make dominant tackles and has zero impact with ball in hand. The coaches made their bed with rookie Finau but surprise surprise, he's finding the step up to test level a bit tough. Again we've left ourselves nowhere to go as we let Akira in career best form leave NZ rugby altogether.
That's where the ABs biggest weakness by miles is right now, and it was SAs loosies that got them over the line in the end. Our tight 5 and backline are outstanding - Vaa'i and Darry have been revelations in the locking department - but we're being let down big time by our loose forwards.
Very disappointing seeing him come off the bench and not only did he not make one of the big hits hes supposedly known for he got bumped off completely !
Not exactly the second coming of Kaino/Collins so far.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The focus for change should be on the loose forwards, but the squad selection has left us nowhere to go there.
Who's responsible for loose forward selection again?
only mildly trolling - but the loosies selection got grief at the time for being 'samey' and you can see it play out poorly now. That was a really bad loss for us - where do you go now with the squad you've got?
I have a theory that Robertson may have a blind spot to players that were like him as a player. It would explain the predominance of 6.5 that we selected. Who knows though.
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@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The focus for change should be on the loose forwards, but the squad selection has left us nowhere to go there.
Ardie's form warrants being benched, but we don't have anyone to replace him as we left Sotutu out despite him being in career best form so we only have complete rookie Sititi to fall back on.
Cane and Paps are as good as we have at 7, so either of them is fine.
Blackadder is really struggling with the physicality needed at 6. He hasn't played badly, and he has a high work rate, but he does not make dominant tackles and has zero impact with ball in hand. The coaches made their bed with rookie Finau but surprise surprise, he's finding the step up to test level a bit tough. Again we've left ourselves nowhere to go as we let Akira in career best form leave NZ rugby altogether.
That's where the ABs biggest weakness by miles is right now, and it was SAs loosies that got them over the line in the end. Our tight 5 and backline are outstanding - Vaa'i and Darry have been revelations in the locking department - but we're being let down big time by our loose forwards.
Very disappointing seeing him come off the bench and not only did he not make one of the big hits hes supposedly known for he got bumped off completely !
Not exactly the second coming of Kaino/Collins so far.
It'd be the 3rd coming of Kaino technically, because Kaino already had his own 2nd coming.
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@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The focus for change should be on the loose forwards, but the squad selection has left us nowhere to go there.
Ardie's form warrants being benched, but we don't have anyone to replace him as we left Sotutu out despite him being in career best form so we only have complete rookie Sititi to fall back on.
Cane and Paps are as good as we have at 7, so either of them is fine.
Blackadder is really struggling with the physicality needed at 6. He hasn't played badly, and he has a high work rate, but he does not make dominant tackles and has zero impact with ball in hand. The coaches made their bed with rookie Finau but surprise surprise, he's finding the step up to test level a bit tough. Again we've left ourselves nowhere to go as we let Akira in career best form leave NZ rugby altogether.
That's where the ABs biggest weakness by miles is right now, and it was SAs loosies that got them over the line in the end. Our tight 5 and backline are outstanding - Vaa'i and Darry have been revelations in the locking department - but we're being let down big time by our loose forwards.
Very disappointing seeing him come off the bench and not only did he not make one of the big hits hes supposedly known for he got bumped off completely !
Not exactly the second coming of Kaino/Collins so far.
It'd be the 3rd coming of Kaino technically, because Kaino already had his own 2nd coming.
Or you could say 4th cos JC and JK were different people.
So based on that logic Finau will be a force in about 2027.
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Finau did fuck all in the Super season outside of a couple of highlight reel hits.
He was picked on his physical attributes and potential.
Played poorly in his starts, dropped from the starting 23 altogether, and then came back on as a sub and played poorly.
Terrible season so far and probably the single most disappointing player in the ABs this season.The non-selection of Akira and Sotutu borders on insanity
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@Frank said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Finau did fuck all in the Super season outside of a couple of highlight reel hhits
Yeah he's the biggest disappointment for the ABs so far IMO. He's offered absolutely no impact whatsoever.
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@Frank agree Finau didn't do enough to warrant his call-up to the ABs, and he got taught a lesson by Akira in the final. His selection was based purely on potential and it has backfired badly.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Frank agree Finau didn't do enough to warrant his call-up to the ABs, and he got taught a lesson by Akira in the final. His selection was based purely on potential and it has backfired badly.
Hard to disagree with this based on what we have seen.
Finau looks a flat track bully as it stands and would want to get the finger out and do a bit of head down arse up graft next time he gets a gig.
With every passing week the evidence suggests the folks calling for Sotutu and Akira have been vindicated.
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Re Sotutu, do we know why he has been absent from the Auckland team lately?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Re Sotutu, do we know why he has been absent from the Auckland team lately?
Because he's playing for Counties?
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Re Sotutu, do we know why he has been absent from the Auckland team lately?
Because he's playing for Counties?
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The focus for change should be on the loose forwards, but the squad selection has left us nowhere to go there.
Ardie's form warrants being benched, but we don't have anyone to replace him as we left Sotutu out despite him being in career best form so we only have complete rookie Sititi to fall back on.
Cane and Paps are as good as we have at 7, so either of them is fine.
Blackadder is really struggling with the physicality needed at 6. He hasn't played badly, and he has a high work rate, but he does not make dominant tackles and has zero impact with ball in hand. The coaches made their bed with rookie Finau but surprise surprise, he's finding the step up to test level a bit tough. Again we've left ourselves nowhere to go as we let Akira in career best form leave NZ rugby altogether.
That's where the ABs biggest weakness by miles is right now, and it was SAs loosies that got them over the line in the end. Our tight 5 and backline are outstanding - Vaa'i and Darry have been revelations in the locking department - but we're being let down big time by our loose forwards.
Voice of fucking reason right here, agree with every word.
I'd also like to see Ratima start,. but that's not really going to shift the dial massively.
And agree with the sentiment on BB, it really looks like time to move on here - amazing career, thanks for everything, but it's time for new blood.
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On the loose forwards, it does concern me that a bunch of people on a forum known for awful analysis, incorrect conclusions and zero insight could see the problems with the squad selections as soon as they were announced, but the coaching group being paid the big bucks couldn't.
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Re Sotutu, do we know why he has been absent from the Auckland team lately?
Because he's playing for Counties?
Fuck I am getting old!
Edit - just checked and he wasn't in the listed team this week for Counties. He wasn't a couple of weeks ago too when I bothered to take a look. Is he injured?
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@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The focus for change should be on the loose forwards, but the squad selection has left us nowhere to go there.
Who's responsible for loose forward selection again?
only mildly trolling - but the loosies selection got grief at the time for being 'samey' and you can see it play out poorly now. That was a really bad loss for us - where do you go now with the squad you've got?
I have a theory that Robertson may have a blind spot to players that were like him as a player. It would explain the predominance of 6.5 that we selected. Who knows though.
or he could have a preference for the types of players that have have served him well so far, which is at super rugby level ,
workrate grafters over physically dominant types who win collisions
