Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@chchfanatic said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaai
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Ratima
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan
16 Aumua
17 Ofa
18 Newell
19 Darry
20 Jacobsen
21 TJP
22 Barrett
23 ALBthis is the same team I was provided by a very reliable source too. Very interesting
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@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Yes I've already said he had a good workrate.
PsDT, Kaino and Juan Smith all had good workrates but they hit hard and thats the difference. These are the last three blindsides to win World Cups. Do you honestly believe that Blackadder has the upside of these players?
He's never going to be a world class blindside. There are players in NZ with the potential to be that. Finau certainly has the athletic ability he just needs some consistent opportunity and guidance. He did well enough against England and should have been persevered with.
So he's not as good as 3 of the best ever so shouldn't play.
If that's your logic, how are we going to even field a team?The point being, he had access to Akira who everybody knows has the talent to be world class, in career best form, who also absolutely dominated the SR finals. Instead he picked a guy that has spent most of his career injured, and two rookies that Akira dominated in the final which is the closest thing we have to test footy at that level. So yes, when we watch Blackadder struggling to make an impact, we become critical.
I'm becoming a broken record on this so will try and make this my last post, but the Blues backrow dominated Super rugby and were influential in the finals. It absolutely pains me that we not only left out 2 of them all together, but it's now become an area of significant weakness for us.
Running riot in sevens is no guarantee of 15s dominance.
But yeah, he should have been picked.
He should have picked the form players Sotutu and Akira, then if they failed he could say "see?!" and bin them and no one would have any complaints, or if they ripped up trees as per SR he would have been able to ride them to some wins and look like a genius. Just a no brainer. But instead he picks a bunch of players who seem on the way down since 23, a couple of long shots from the team that got pumped by the eventual winners of SR, and some Saders who most would argue didn't earn their place on SR form and lacked miles. What a glut for punishment he is
With Akira he had a number of chances over a number of years so maybe they thought he wasn’t going to cut it at test level - even though his game this season was more suited to test rugby than it ever has been.
Sotutu is a bit different in that he clearly did everything he could have in responding to being dropped unceremoniously last year. He should have been back in based on his form and also as an example to others - ‘ you listen to our feedback and fix what we ask and you are still a chance’. Now why would anyone think they can get back in to the side because if the super MVP can’t.
Furthermore, his replacement is too raw to get any meaningful minutes.
My biggest concern with the Hoskins scenario , is he through not being selected , walks out the door and plays for England, and that comes back to bite us on the arse .
Not a prediction, but I think it’s a real possibility, he has a rare skill set.
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@BerniesCorner but it is in the law book (as is being repeated often). Jordie ripped the ball (I think he moved towards the ball more in hope to try and hold it up as Bongi reached, but ripped is pushing it), and Bongi then landed on it.
For me, I think Bongi lost control and it was a fortuitous try. Tell me what the reaction would have been if that try went the other way 😂
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@stodders bok fans would’ve gone full Jaco Johan. Armbands. Pacts.
Rassie would’ve smiled though because the boks got away with only 5 points and not the seven from the penalty try and yellow card for the third maul penalty in a row that was looming.
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner but it is in the law book (as is being repeated often). Jordie ripped the ball (I think he moved towards the ball more in hope to try and hold it up as Bongi reached, but ripped is pushing it), and Bongi then landed on it.
For me, I think Bongi lost control and it was a fortuitous try. Tell me what the reaction would have been if that try went the other way 😂
The ball actually went backwards towards Bongi and hit Bongi in the face while he was or wasn't holding it after the JB contact.
I've done the forensic F5 and repeat on this.
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@BerniesCorner off the face isn’t a knock on, no?
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Biggest game for this year
Biggest game ever for Razor
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner off the face isn’t a knock on, no?
What if Bongi is holding the ball at the time it goes forward off his face .
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@BerniesCorner knock on provided the ball travels forward out of his hand/grasp.
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Well the ball went forward off Bongi's face and almost certainly a part of the hand was touching the ball at the same time
It's confirmed ABs screwed over -
You confirming it!
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It should have been reviewed
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@BerniesCorner feel better. It wasn’t plain and obvious. So hard to overturn. Good chance Jordie knocked it on so you’d be facing a bok 5m scrum. And that’s before you get to the boks seeming to have penalty advantage and a likely yellow card for repeated maul penalties.
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You can't make the assumption JB knocked it forward. After contact Bongi's elbow flexes and Bong's hand with ball moves towards Bongi's face
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@BerniesCorner not making any assumptions. But in a very unclear situation that seems the most likely initial infraction.
Then in descending order with not much in any of them based on the available footage: Bongi knock on, Bongi drop straight down, Bongi no knock on off head.
But again, none of it’s clear or convincing, and anyway the try saved you from facing whatever was on the other side of the advantage Brace called before awarding the try.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner not making any assumptions. But in a very unclear situation that seems the most likely initial infraction.
Then in descending order with not much in any of them based on the available footage: Bongi knock on, Bongi drop straight down, Bongi no knock on off head.
But again, none of it’s clear or convincing, and anyway the try saved you from facing whatever was on the other side of the advantage Brace called before awarding the try.
To me the first and major point is why it was not reviewed by an unsighted ref and mute or blind assistants...
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@nostrildamus for sure. Also can’t understand why SFM wasn’t allowed a second conversion attempt with ABs and physios not retiring behind tryline and advancing before SFM addressed the ball.
