Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
On the TJP thing, we all know he is too yappy at halfback but does anyone else think it is odd that the 2 refs have told him that he will be sent off if he talks to the ref again?
It's bullshit, if Justin Marshall was playing today he'd be sent off in the first 10 mins. That penalty on Sunday was utter bullshit. The Springboks player was lying all over our side of the ruck, TJ had every right to shout for a penalty. Refs are far too entitled these days and they are the biggest issue with International rugby IMO.
Virtually all 30 players on the field will yell to the ref if they see something like a knock or head clash.
Just seems that the refs had heard of his reputation and were going to crack down on him hard.
Given the evidence we have, it’s not really penalisable (word?!) what he did. Given that he was the only one he got treated like that he was singled out.
Willie Le Roux runs in from 40 meters back for every decision haranguing the refs, making TMO squares with his fingers.
But for some reason TJP was on their radar for these games, which is a bit weird as he has been injured for over a year so didnt really have a recent body of work for the refs to go off. All he said in test one was "whats that". The ref completely over reacted.
They were prepped and waiting in the long grass for him to say something.
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@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
On the TJP thing, we all know he is too yappy at halfback but does anyone else think it is odd that the 2 refs have told him that he will be sent off if he talks to the ref again?
It's bullshit, if Justin Marshall was playing today he'd be sent off in the first 10 mins. That penalty on Sunday was utter bullshit. The Springboks player was lying all over our side of the ruck, TJ had every right to shout for a penalty. Refs are far too entitled these days and they are the biggest issue with International rugby IMO.
And they dont seem to be accountable.
Like players get dropped, coaches get fired but refs dont have to front the media, and keep getting new assignments despite gaffe after gaffe.
And when they have really fucked up, the ole "people were mean to me on the internet" ace card gets played.
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
On the TJP thing, we all know he is too yappy at halfback but does anyone else think it is odd that the 2 refs have told him that he will be sent off if he talks to the ref again?
It's bullshit, if Justin Marshall was playing today he'd be sent off in the first 10 mins. That penalty on Sunday was utter bullshit. The Springboks player was lying all over our side of the ruck, TJ had every right to shout for a penalty. Refs are far too entitled these days and they are the biggest issue with International rugby IMO.
Virtually all 30 players on the field will yell to the ref if they see something like a knock or head clash.
Just seems that the refs had heard of his reputation and were going to crack down on him hard.
Given the evidence we have, it’s not really penalisable (word?!) what he did. Given that he was the only one he got treated like that he was singled out.
Willie Le Roux runs in from 40 meters back for every decision haranguing the refs, making TMO squares with his fingers.
But for some reason TJP was on their radar for these games, which is a bit weird as he has been injured for over a year so didnt really have a recent body of work for the refs to go off. All he said in test one was "whats that". The ref completely over reacted.
They were prepped and waiting in the long grass for him to say something.
I don't think it's clear how much Perenara was complaining during the games.
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@Mr-Fish said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
On the TJP thing, we all know he is too yappy at halfback but does anyone else think it is odd that the 2 refs have told him that he will be sent off if he talks to the ref again?
It's bullshit, if Justin Marshall was playing today he'd be sent off in the first 10 mins. That penalty on Sunday was utter bullshit. The Springboks player was lying all over our side of the ruck, TJ had every right to shout for a penalty. Refs are far too entitled these days and they are the biggest issue with International rugby IMO.
Virtually all 30 players on the field will yell to the ref if they see something like a knock or head clash.
Just seems that the refs had heard of his reputation and were going to crack down on him hard.
Given the evidence we have, it’s not really penalisable (word?!) what he did. Given that he was the only one he got treated like that he was singled out.
Willie Le Roux runs in from 40 meters back for every decision haranguing the refs, making TMO squares with his fingers.
But for some reason TJP was on their radar for these games, which is a bit weird as he has been injured for over a year so didnt really have a recent body of work for the refs to go off. All he said in test one was "whats that". The ref completely over reacted.
They were prepped and waiting in the long grass for him to say something.
I don't think it's clear how much Perenara was complaining during the games.
Well the incident in test one which drew the ire of Andrew Brace was Perenara reacting to the South Africa player rolling away into Perenaras feet on our side of the ball while we were in their 22 with the Springboks at 6's and 7's. Perenera turns to the ref and says "whats that", with no swear words. It's on mic, on record. Brace then blows the whistle and gives him a bollocking.
The dice was loaded.
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Given it was the same reffing team from Test 1 to Test 2 (i.e. the same 3 people are ref/ARs but they rotate responsibilities), wouldn't you think mr experience Perenara would shut the fuck up when coming off the bench in Test 2 as opposed to getting warned again......
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Given it was the same reffing team from Test 1 to Test 2 (i.e. the same 3 people are ref/ARs but they rotate responsibilities), wouldn't you think mr experience Perenara would shut the fuck up when coming off the bench in Test 2 as opposed to getting warned again......
Naaaah, those fellas wouldn't talk to each other would they?
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@reprobate you think a major test between SA and the All Blacks is the place to set a new precedent where yappy halfbacks calling for penalties can not only be penalised, but sent from the field? Or, far more likely, it's a complete lack of composure from the ref and we won't see any other players penalised for the same thing. I say that because in the same test the SA 10 gave the TJ a spray and didn't even get talked to let alone penalised. Will Jordan also gave the ref his thoughts after being called for a knock on, but no warning? No penalty?
Like sure, penalise players that call for penalties if they think that's the correct response (I don't think it is), but do it consistently to all players across the whole test.
Try not to let your dislike of TJP cloud your judgement, we all get pissed at him hence the name Flapanara, but it's not a penalty offense unless he tries to insult the ref in some way, which he didn't.
I agree that he looks like he's been targeted by the refs and that the response was unreasonable when compared with all other examples we can point to.
But I'm also on the side of "I wish refs did this more often to shut players up". The soccerfication of the sport is pissing me off. And then there's the obvious recognition that had this been the approach much earlier in TJ's career, he wouldn't be flapanara and would concentrate more on keeping possession.
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
But I'm also on the side of "I wish refs did this more often to shut players up"
I am too. But that is not the way to go about it.
I would like every player who yells at the ref to get penalised. Every time. Every week. And then it will disappear.
Hell, I"d make it a penalisable offence to ask about cards from the ref! But, this is not the way to go about it. You don't do it randomly and for a fairly minor issue. You tell people you're doing it and then follow through ... so there are no surprises. Consistency is the key.
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@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
But I'm also on the side of "I wish refs did this more often to shut players up"
I am too. But that is not the way to go about it.
I would like every player who yells at the ref to get penalised. Every time. Every week. And then it will disappear.
Hell, I"d make it a penalisable offence to ask about cards from the ref! But, this is not the way to go about it. You don't do it randomly and for a fairly minor issue. You tell people you're doing it and then follow through ... so there are no surprises. Consistency is the key.
Yep, as soon as one other player screamed something similar and he didn't penalise them similarly it created an injustice.
Justice4TJP
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@W32 here you go https://www.planetrugby.com/news/not-off-your-referral-english-ref-hits-out-at-all-blacks-coach-after-suspected-foul-play
Bloody hell. Bok like behavior! Disgusting
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Given it was the same reffing team from Test 1 to Test 2 (i.e. the same 3 people are ref/ARs but they rotate responsibilities), wouldn't you think mr experience Perenara would shut the fuck up when coming off the bench in Test 2 as opposed to getting warned again......
Yes, it was poor from him to not learn.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@W32 here you go https://www.planetrugby.com/news/not-off-your-referral-english-ref-hits-out-at-all-blacks-coach-after-suspected-foul-play
did he confuse Nic Gill for Ellison, only coach on the sidelines is Ellison who brings on the kicking tee lol.
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@W32 here you go https://www.planetrugby.com/news/not-off-your-referral-english-ref-hits-out-at-all-blacks-coach-after-suspected-foul-play
Bloody hell. Bok like behavior! Disgusting
Referee refusing to look at foul play after the captain tried to alert him to it.
So Poor by the ref they the ‘medic’ felt he had to intervene and draw his attention to it.
When the ref ignores blatant foul play, don’t be surprised if he is told about it from other sources.
Simples
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Mr-Fish said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
On the TJP thing, we all know he is too yappy at halfback but does anyone else think it is odd that the 2 refs have told him that he will be sent off if he talks to the ref again?
It's bullshit, if Justin Marshall was playing today he'd be sent off in the first 10 mins. That penalty on Sunday was utter bullshit. The Springboks player was lying all over our side of the ruck, TJ had every right to shout for a penalty. Refs are far too entitled these days and they are the biggest issue with International rugby IMO.
Virtually all 30 players on the field will yell to the ref if they see something like a knock or head clash.
Just seems that the refs had heard of his reputation and were going to crack down on him hard.
Given the evidence we have, it’s not really penalisable (word?!) what he did. Given that he was the only one he got treated like that he was singled out.
Willie Le Roux runs in from 40 meters back for every decision haranguing the refs, making TMO squares with his fingers.
But for some reason TJP was on their radar for these games, which is a bit weird as he has been injured for over a year so didnt really have a recent body of work for the refs to go off. All he said in test one was "whats that". The ref completely over reacted.
They were prepped and waiting in the long grass for him to say something.
I don't think it's clear how much Perenara was complaining during the games.
Well the incident in test one which drew the ire of Andrew Brace was Perenara reacting to the South Africa player rolling away into Perenaras feet on our side of the ball while we were in their 22 with the Springboks at 6's and 7's. Perenera turns to the ref and says "whats that", with no swear words. It's on mic, on record. Brace then blows the whistle and gives him a bollocking.
The dice was loaded.
We know he complained in that moment. We don't know how much Perenara had been complaining throughout the game in the lead-up to that moment. It's entirely possible he was frustrating the ref from the first minute and that's just when he finally penalised Perenara for it.
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