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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="577994" data-time="1462670944">
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<p>Don't really agree with the first point - he's gone in to make a tackle low, so I don't really see how standing up once he's made that tackle would ever have a good outcome. It has all happened in a split second, so while there's no intent, it has gone badly wrong and I think it's pretty clear that Charlie has contravened the letter of the law. As above, the way things have been ruled recently it won't surprise me to see him missing some games, but luckily my opinion is completely irrelevant to Sanzar.</p>
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<p>Agree on Zas. Agree on Tana.</p>
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<p><strong>Anyway, cheer up - you're still fifth on the table and we've only got one game in hand on you! </strong> :)</p>
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<p>True, and you've been playing all the easybeat foreign teams for the past 7 weeks ;).</p> -
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<p>True, and you've been playing all the easybeat foreign teams for the past 7 weeks ;).</p>
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<p>A fact that has not escaped me. :)</p>
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<p>Worst thing is - given the number of derby games to come - even if you top the table, there's a very fair chance you're going to get a very fucking awkward NZ team as your first play-off game.</p> -
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<p>A fact that has not escaped me. :)</p>
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<p>Worst thing is - given the number of derby games to come - even if you top the table, <strong>there's a very fair chance you're going to get a very fucking awkward NZ team as your first play-off game</strong>.</p>
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<p>Actually, that's not true because the NZ teams have beaten most of the non-NZ teams and have more points than the rest of the lot. The SA wildcard will most likely be the opponent of the the table topping team.</p> -
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<p>To be very clear - Ngatai should have gone to ground rather than standing up. By standing up he has lifted him beyond the horizontal and that is illegal.</p>
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<p>I don't think standing up was the problem. It was the use of his hands that accelerated Dixons momentum that was the problem. If he merely stood up I don't think he should have been called and without using his hands Dixon would not have flip as much as he did. I think he deserved the yellow.</p> -
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<p>Actually, that's not true because the NZ teams have beaten most of the non-NZ teams and have more points than the rest of the lot. The SA wildcard will most likely be the opponent of the the table topping team.</p>
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<p>The South African wildcard team will likely be from the conference that doesn't play any of the NZ teams.</p>
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<p>Right now, it's the Bulls - and their remaining opponents include the Sunwolves, Jaguares and Cheetahs. I don't think it's unlikely that they will end up higher on the table than e.g the Canes. </p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="broughie" data-cid="578007" data-time="1462675262"><p>I don't think standing up was the problem. It was the use of his hands that accelerated Dixons momentum that was the problem. If he merely stood up I don't think he should have been called and without using his hands Dixon would not have flip as much as he did. I think he deserved the yellow.</p></blockquote>
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there is A good angle on the Herald site at the moment. You can pause the vid at nearly frame by frame as it happens so fast. <br>
Ngatai goes in safely for a tackle at hip height with his head to the side. Textbook stuff taught to kids. Split second before contact Dixon jumps up and the contact starts at thigh level. Dixon keeps going up and it becomes knee level. <br>
Ngatai was braced for a solid impact at mid level of a big player. This impact just gave way. It possibly even felt like he missed. He stood up and looked around as if to say "where the fuck did he go?"<br>
There are two possibles here. One is taking a player out in the air. Those guidelines are written for players approaching a descending kick. Not sure how those principles can apply here. <br>
The other possibility is the tip tackle guidelines. These revolve around the tackler deliberately or carelessly lifting a player beyond the horizontal and failing to return them to ground safely. This seems to be where there are different views. One says Ngatai took Dixon beyond horizontal the other that Dixon would have gone beyond horizontal no matter what because he jumped into the tackle. <br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="577816" data-time="1462614680"><p>
Apologies to all those I disagreed with about Dixon getting tackled without the ball. I thought Dixon was contesting a ball that had been kicked and was taken out in the act of gathering that ball<br><br>
Upon viewing the replay it is abundantly clear that Dixon had the ball, then jumped into a tackle which caused him to flip in the air :think:<br><br>
Ngatai will no doubt be cleared because he did nothing wrong and was at no fault whatsoever :idiot2:<br><br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79739197/chiefs-second-fiveeighth-charlie-ngatai-yellowcarded-for-dangerous-tackle">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79739197/chiefs-second-fiveeighth-charlie-ngatai-yellowcarded-for-dangerous-tackle</a></p></blockquote>
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Just watched that video.<br><br>
In my opinion you are wrong.<br><br>
Ngatai had the right to asume he had the ball. He tackled him. Dixon flipped because he jumped.<br><br>
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<p>Just watched that video.<br><br><strong>In my opinion you are wrong.</strong><br><br>
Ngatai had the right to asume he had the ball. He tackled him. Dixon flipped because he jumped.<br><br>
No fault fi6r the flip should be attrubuted to Ngatai.</p>
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<p>Yeah so it seems</p>
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<p>Oh well you learn something new everyday. No case for tackling a player who didn't have possession of the ball then</p>
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<p>It is hard to consider that a tip tackle. He wasn't attempting to drive him into the ground or take him past horizontal. Dixons jump created the scenario but I believe Ngatais use of the arms and shoulder, subtle as it was, accelerated Dixons momentum and the somersault. Certainly out of the ordinary. Maybe taking him out in the air is a better call and there is a good case for nothing at all as you suggest Crucial. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="578031" data-time="1462682222">
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<p>Yeah so it seems</p>
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<p>Oh well you learn something new everyday. No case for tackling a player who didn't have possession of the ball then</p>
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<p>Assumptions vs what really happens - so be it</p>
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<p>Ok, Siam, I've mentioned that juggling trying to catch the ball and being tackled while doing so doesn't generally result in a sanction - are you wanting to argue it usually does?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="broughie" data-cid="578032" data-time="1462682236"><p>. Certainly out of the ordinary. Maybe taking him out in the air is a better call .<br></p></blockquote>
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But Dixon wasn't in the air when Ngatai committed to the tackle, and had no reason to expect Dixon to be in the air at any time. Jumping was a weird thing to do in that situation. I reckon if Ngatai made that same tackle another dozen times it would just be a standard outcome without any drama. -
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<p>Sopoaga 8 easily outplayed Cruden 6</p>
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<p>Cruden was outplayed by Barrett and now by Sopoaga. He did not run his backline smoothly and his kicking from hand was poor. I think Sopoaga is now the favourite for the starting spot à 10 for the AB. He is a good goalkicker and has the advantage of forming a seasoned pair with Aaron Smith.</p>
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<p>Although TBF the service Cruden has been getting hasnt been as good as Sopoaga or BB...I expect the AB coaches will know exactly what they are going to do at 10, which I believe will still be Cruden, who we know can work well with Smith.</p>
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Every 10 in the world must dream about playing with Aaron Smith inside them.
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<p>Every 10 in the world must dream about playing with Aaron Smith inside them.</p>
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But if the AB slectors want Charlie Ngatai at 2nd five, maybe it could be easier to accommodate him with Cruden inside him ...</p></blockquote> But with the All Blacks backline potentially featuring Smith, Sopoaga, Fekitoa, Naholo and Smith. Surely it would be best to just fit in Ngatai and Savea. Especially if the selectors choose to pick Sopoaga. -
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<p>Ok, Siam, I've mentioned that juggling trying to catch the ball and being tackled while doing so doesn't generally result in a sanction - are you wanting to argue it usually does?</p>
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<p>No I don't want to argue with a rugby man who changes his team because he doesn't like a coach</p>
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<p>I don't want to argue that a ball hitting a shoulder is juggling or that Dixon was in possession when tackled</p>
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<p>I don't want to argue that assuming someone will catch a ball and then flipping him is an accident that should carry no censure</p>
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<p>I'll just stick to what the people in the rugby industry decide and take my learnings from there. So far they've decided Ngatai committed a yellow card act of reckless play </p> -
<p>and yet here you are, 23 hours after the fact stil throwing your opinion about....very, argument like.</p>
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<p><strong>No I don't want to argue</strong> with a rugby man who changes his team because he doesn't like a coach</p>
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<p><strong>I don't want to argue</strong> that a ball hitting a shoulder is juggling or that Dixon was in possession when tackled</p>
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<p><strong>I don't want to argue</strong> that assuming someone will catch a ball and then flipping him is an accident that should carry no censure</p>
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<p>I'll just stick to what the people in the rugby industry decide and take my learnings from there. So far they've decided Ngatai committed a yellow card act of reckless play </p>
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<p>and yet here you are, 23 hours after the fact stil throwing your opinion about....very, argument like.</p>
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<p>Ok, sure</p>
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<p>Change the middle sentences to "I think" and leave it it that then</p>
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<p>And stick the "throwing your opinion about" up your arse - it's an opinion forum</p>
