Chiefs vs Highlanders
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="577816" data-time="1462614680"><p>
Apologies to all those I disagreed with about Dixon getting tackled without the ball. I thought Dixon was contesting a ball that had been kicked and was taken out in the act of gathering that ball<br><br>
Upon viewing the replay it is abundantly clear that Dixon had the ball, then jumped into a tackle which caused him to flip in the air :think:<br><br>
Ngatai will no doubt be cleared because he did nothing wrong and was at no fault whatsoever :idiot2:<br><br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79739197/chiefs-second-fiveeighth-charlie-ngatai-yellowcarded-for-dangerous-tackle">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79739197/chiefs-second-fiveeighth-charlie-ngatai-yellowcarded-for-dangerous-tackle</a></p></blockquote>
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Just watched that video.<br><br>
In my opinion you are wrong.<br><br>
Ngatai had the right to asume he had the ball. He tackled him. Dixon flipped because he jumped.<br><br>
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<p>Just watched that video.<br><br><strong>In my opinion you are wrong.</strong><br><br>
Ngatai had the right to asume he had the ball. He tackled him. Dixon flipped because he jumped.<br><br>
No fault fi6r the flip should be attrubuted to Ngatai.</p>
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<p>Yeah so it seems</p>
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<p>Oh well you learn something new everyday. No case for tackling a player who didn't have possession of the ball then</p>
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<p>It is hard to consider that a tip tackle. He wasn't attempting to drive him into the ground or take him past horizontal. Dixons jump created the scenario but I believe Ngatais use of the arms and shoulder, subtle as it was, accelerated Dixons momentum and the somersault. Certainly out of the ordinary. Maybe taking him out in the air is a better call and there is a good case for nothing at all as you suggest Crucial. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="578031" data-time="1462682222">
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<p>Yeah so it seems</p>
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<p>Oh well you learn something new everyday. No case for tackling a player who didn't have possession of the ball then</p>
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<p>Assumptions vs what really happens - so be it</p>
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<p>Ok, Siam, I've mentioned that juggling trying to catch the ball and being tackled while doing so doesn't generally result in a sanction - are you wanting to argue it usually does?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="broughie" data-cid="578032" data-time="1462682236"><p>. Certainly out of the ordinary. Maybe taking him out in the air is a better call .<br></p></blockquote>
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But Dixon wasn't in the air when Ngatai committed to the tackle, and had no reason to expect Dixon to be in the air at any time. Jumping was a weird thing to do in that situation. I reckon if Ngatai made that same tackle another dozen times it would just be a standard outcome without any drama. -
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<p>Sopoaga 8 easily outplayed Cruden 6</p>
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<p>Cruden was outplayed by Barrett and now by Sopoaga. He did not run his backline smoothly and his kicking from hand was poor. I think Sopoaga is now the favourite for the starting spot à 10 for the AB. He is a good goalkicker and has the advantage of forming a seasoned pair with Aaron Smith.</p>
<p>But if the AB slectors want Charlie Ngatai at 2nd five, maybe it could be easier to accommodate him with Cruden inside him ...</p> -
<p>Although TBF the service Cruden has been getting hasnt been as good as Sopoaga or BB...I expect the AB coaches will know exactly what they are going to do at 10, which I believe will still be Cruden, who we know can work well with Smith.</p>
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Every 10 in the world must dream about playing with Aaron Smith inside them.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="578052" data-time="1462689312">
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<p>Every 10 in the world must dream about playing with Aaron Smith inside them.</p>
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<p>and 12...that flat cut-out ball to the mid-field is pure joy to watch! </p> -
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But if the AB slectors want Charlie Ngatai at 2nd five, maybe it could be easier to accommodate him with Cruden inside him ...</p></blockquote> But with the All Blacks backline potentially featuring Smith, Sopoaga, Fekitoa, Naholo and Smith. Surely it would be best to just fit in Ngatai and Savea. Especially if the selectors choose to pick Sopoaga. -
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<p>Ok, Siam, I've mentioned that juggling trying to catch the ball and being tackled while doing so doesn't generally result in a sanction - are you wanting to argue it usually does?</p>
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<p>No I don't want to argue with a rugby man who changes his team because he doesn't like a coach</p>
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<p>I don't want to argue that a ball hitting a shoulder is juggling or that Dixon was in possession when tackled</p>
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<p>I don't want to argue that assuming someone will catch a ball and then flipping him is an accident that should carry no censure</p>
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<p>I'll just stick to what the people in the rugby industry decide and take my learnings from there. So far they've decided Ngatai committed a yellow card act of reckless play </p> -
<p>and yet here you are, 23 hours after the fact stil throwing your opinion about....very, argument like.</p>
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<p><strong>No I don't want to argue</strong> with a rugby man who changes his team because he doesn't like a coach</p>
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<p><strong>I don't want to argue</strong> that a ball hitting a shoulder is juggling or that Dixon was in possession when tackled</p>
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<p><strong>I don't want to argue</strong> that assuming someone will catch a ball and then flipping him is an accident that should carry no censure</p>
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<p>I'll just stick to what the people in the rugby industry decide and take my learnings from there. So far they've decided Ngatai committed a yellow card act of reckless play </p>
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<p>and yet here you are, 23 hours after the fact stil throwing your opinion about....very, argument like.</p>
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<p>Ok, sure</p>
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<p>Change the middle sentences to "I think" and leave it it that then</p>
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<p>And stick the "throwing your opinion about" up your arse - it's an opinion forum</p> -
<p>you were the twat that came in saying he wasnt arguing while throwing his opinion out there that differed to a poster he wasnt arguing with, if you wanna keep on arguing/discussing, by all means, but dont pretend you arent and get all pissy about it.</p>
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It was interesting seeing Fekitoa kicking from hand at 2nd 5. He's known for the odd grubber from centre, but haven't really seen a clearing kick game from him. <br><br>
On the AB midfield discussion I would like to see Fekitoa at 12 and Crotty at 13 given the first shot. Ngatai/Moala could be a good backup combo. -
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<p>you were the twat that came in saying he wasnt arguing while throwing his opinion out there that differed to a poster he wasnt arguing with, if you wanna keep on arguing/discussing, by all means, but dont pretend you arent and get all pissy about it.</p>
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<p>No need for name calling, I replied to a direct question to me.</p>
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<p>I've conceded that I didn't need to use the words "I don't want to argue" as an act of goodwill</p>
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<p>It was interesting seeing Fekitoa kicking from hand at 2nd 5. He's known for the odd grubber from centre, but haven't really seen a clearing kick game from him.<br><br>
On the AB midfield discussion I would like to see Fekitoa at 12 and Crotty at 13 given the first shot. Ngatai/Moala could be a good backup combo.</p>
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<p>I guess it is inevitable that there will always be comparisons with Nonu, but he didnt really develop a decent kicking game for quite some time...he always had 'a' kicking game, but by the end it was pretty good in terms of execuition and when to do it.</p> -
Do the selectors see Ngatai and Fekitoa as 12s? Do we think that anyone but Crotty has a realistic shot at the 13 jumper?
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<p>Watch the video in real time, there was nothing Ngatai could do. Are you suggesting that if everything played out the same, but Ngatai's arms stayed down you think it would be fine? Once Dixon jumped he was always going to flip over Ngatai.</p>
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<p>But then Ngatai would not have been deemed to have done anything. Driving up with his arms and body was the mistake.</p> -
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Do the selectors see Ngatai and Fekitoa as 12s? Do we think that anyone but Crotty has a realistic shot at the 13 jumper?</p></blockquote>Surely Fekitoa is a 13 first, 12 second - he just doesn't have the miles on the clock at 12 for anyone to seriously consider that its the other way round.
