Leon MacDonald Quits
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I wonder if the AB performance during Argie test 1 was a major reason for this.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Great to see Razor is constantly looking to improve and isn't too stubborn.
David Havili says: "Hi"
Unlike your best mate Foster who had changes forced upon him long after it was apparent from both player feedback and the fuckin results that his assistants sucked.
So Robertson sacked McDonald because of poor results and player feedback?
Has that been confirmed?
What???
I never said that.
I said Razor is being proactive, whereas Foster wasn't. -
@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Great to see Razor is constantly looking to improve and isn't too stubborn.
David Havili says: "Hi"
Unlike your best mate Foster who had changes forced upon him long after it was apparent from both player feedback and the fuckin results that his assistants sucked.
So Robertson sacked McDonald because of poor results and player feedback?
Has that been confirmed?
What???
I never said that.I never said you did. I simply asked if it had been confirmed that Robertson was actually or really being proactive and sacked McDonald for poor results and player feedback
I said Razor is being proactive, whereas Foster wasn't.
So has it been confirmed McDonald was sacked by Robertson? From what I've read it was a difference in approach, a mutual agreement to depart and nothing to do with poor results and player feedback - though happy to be corrected.
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Two things I'm curious about this.
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The timing. Why didn't MacDonald stay on until the end of the SA tour or the Rugby Championship?
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We've only so far heard the NZR and Scott Robinson version of events. It would interesting to hear from Leon MacDonald himself about why he quit.
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@sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@pakman Do we have any better sauces than that?
A guy at the pub said the same thing.
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@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.
Are my eyes deceiving me or are you questioning the coaches?
Is it the status quo actually changing that makes you uncomfortable?
I questioning the fact that coaching group seems to be falling apart? Yes.
I genuinely thought before you put group together you kind of make sure you have same philosophy on coaching.
Seems if you read it I just actually agreeing with Razor, he f***ed up forming his team.
Interesting thing is I recall reading a Jason Holland interview where he said he left Crusaders because his and Razor had piliosophical differences in coaching. It was in Rugby News in last couple if years, said they were good mates but didn't work as a group. -
These coaches in the public eye earn every last penny IMO.
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@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Just throwing my two cents out there.
I remember Razor made a relevant point in the recent documentary how he and Leon approached the game differently, he was saying how he tends to look for 'what could go right' whereas Leon tends to look for 'what could go wrong'.
I think it comes down to their mindset. Razor is an optimist by nature and risk-taking individual while Leon's coaching and selections have always tended to be conservative and low-risk in nature - see his Blues tenure.
Leon is conventional and coaches more by the book while Razor is the opposite of that, he's more of an unshackled unorthodox free-spirited individual Lol.... maybe Razor is right into that new age stuff?
So Willy J to 15 instead of Beaudy or Perofeta.
Its going to be raining fucking tries to NZ with "Air Jordan" at the back.
Strap yourselves in, the positivity express is leaving the station. Choo Choooooooooo
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We have a chance we have Ryan, we have a scrum.
Razor under a large amount of pressure. Good luck. Lets go. Massive game. -
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.
Are my eyes deceiving me or are you questioning the coaches?
Is it the status quo actually changing that makes you uncomfortable?
I questioning the fact that coaching group seems to be falling apart? Yes.
I genuinely thought before you put group together you kind of make sure you have same philosophy on coaching.
Seems if you read it I just actually agreeing with Razor, he f***ed up forming his team.
Interesting thing is I recall reading a Jason Holland interview where he said he left Crusaders because his and Razor had piliosophical differences in coaching. It was in Rugby News in last couple if years, said they were good mates but didn't work as a group.Its like marrying a bird and finding out 3 months in she doesnt want kids.
Bizarre that they didnt do their "due diligence" on each other before proposing/accepting the roles.
Appreciate the ruthlessness in moving on quickly though.
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Start Ratima
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@BerniesCorner said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Start Ratima
This is my philosophy. We have to select positively. I hope Leons departure leads to a sea change.
We have to roll the dice with our potential upsides.
Ratima, Jordan, Roigard in the RWC final.
Pick the team based on posing the other teams problems, dont select based on what problems they will cause us.
Line breaks and pace and having their fatties running back towards their own poles gets us penalties, advantage, and maybe yellow cards for offside or cynical play etc.
We have to get in behind them.
They will lap up a slow scrum half and slow midfield plodders all day.
Lets move them around the pitch, and be in the refs ear about time wasting all week and at every stoppage in the match so as to negate strategic breathers.
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100%
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@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Cyclops said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Didn't this happen after Razor's first year at the Crusaders as well?
From memory, LM quit the Crusaders for family reasons after 2017 and was happy just doing NPC. Then he took the Blues job in 2019
I missed a step in this post
The job LM originally took at the Blues was as an assistant coach. Umaga got sacked not long after and he became the head coach
So his exit from the Crusaders never made sense. He quit as assistant coach for family reasons.. a few months later he takes a different SR assistant coach job
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Kind of feels like we are back in the pre-Henry days before the Henry, Smith, Hanson tidied up the management of the ABs.
Back the Deans/Mitchell period of weirdness.
Some voices from outside of Canterbury would be nice, not even having the Blues Canterbury voice able to work is concerning. All very insular.
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Razor seems to be coming across as a "my way or the highway" type of coach. Coaches with differing views and approaches should be a good thing in a high performance environment really as they should be able to challenge each others ideas.
Not rugby, but I remember reading McCullum's book and he and Hesson had very different approaches to the game; McCullum was all out attack and risk taking, and Hesson was conservative. McCullum said this worked really well as they found a good middle ground where they would play attacking cricket, while reigning in some of the risk taking McCullum was famous for, and they were hugely successful as a result as they were always challenging each other.
I hope Razor is not just surrounding himself with 'yes men' instead of wanting to be challenged by his coaching team on what the best approach is.
