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    Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.

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    At the end of the day Razor is the boss and all the other guys need to understand the dynamic. If they weren't on the same page it was a good leadership decision to move on

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    McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic. I think this is totally fine, in a high performance environment you need focus and clarity - if it is not working then you need someone to change or move on.

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    @Landers92 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    Anyone remember a few weeks ago what I was saying about this Leon McDonald situation? I can’t remember what thread it was in, maybe AB’s 2024. I wasn’t just saying stuff for the sake of it after all… 👀

    Pre or post Poms?

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    @sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    I wonder what the tipping point was?

    Was it when Leon said Breaking wasn't a proper Olympic sport?

    Or was it when he said Surfing shouldn't be in the Games either?

    Comedy Gold

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    Without really knowing why MacDonald has left, I am not too surprised apart from how early a change has occurred. From memory it seemed Razor wasn't shy about changing up his assistants when at the Saders.

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    @Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.

    that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?

    He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.

    “But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.

    “Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”

    “As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."

    understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.

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    You insult me, Sir! I, a ferner, read the article? You with withdraw that slanderous accusation or you will be hearing from my second!

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    @darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    @Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.

    that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?

    He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.

    “But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.

    “Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”

    “As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."

    understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.

    Sounds like me before I got married

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    @Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.

    Are my eyes deceiving me or are you questioning the coaches?

    Is it the status quo actually changing that makes you uncomfortable?

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    @sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    Prediction:

    Rangi won't be the last All Blacks assistant coach to get fired/walk this year.

    How many assistant coach’s are there left: two?

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    Dan's been hacked, classic boomer

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    @darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    @Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.

    that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?

    He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.

    “But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.

    “Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”

    “As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."

    understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.

    Leon was on standby for the gig as far back as April last year.

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    @pakman said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    @darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    @Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.

    that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?

    He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.

    “But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.

    “Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”

    “As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."

    understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.

    Leon was on standby for the gig as far back as April last year.

    He also agreed to assistant role under Jamie Joseph last year according to NZ Herald, was going to be coaching the AB backs with Brown on attack if Razor didn't get the job in 2023, now Leon's probably lamenting Joseph not getting the job over Razor?

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    Interesting that Joe Schmidt didn’t fancy working for Raz.

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    Regardless of who is in the right , I love the ruthlessness.

    This is what we have been lacking since 2015.

    If It’s not working. Something has to change.

    As I always say…

    The crest on the front is bigger than any name on the back.

    Now move Will Jordan to fullback post haste you floppy haired surf nonce.

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    @pakman said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    Interesting that Joe Schmidt didn’t fancy working for Raz.

    No, Schmidt didn't want to be involved wioth talk with a potential replacement of his current boss, he thought that was lacking loyalty

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    @Jet said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    Now move Will Jordan to fullback post haste you floppy haired surf nonce.

    Did you watch the last game? He sucked at fullback as much as he was good on the wing

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    @Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    @Jet said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    Now move Will Jordan to fullback post haste you floppy haired surf nonce.

    Did you watch the last game? He sucked at fullback as much as he was good on the wing

    Yeah he was pants. But the whole team was. The second half was a non event. Surely he is to be given more of a chance than that?

    Like full test week prep knowing he is the 15.

    The whole back line was reshuffled when Jordan moved to 15. Rieko went to the wing.

    They need time in the saddle to get the comms right. The back 3 working the pendulum etc.

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    @antipodean said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    I don't know if it was messaging or philosophy but the attack for the Blues looked disjointed and lethargic. The difference in style and outcome from one year under Vern speaks volumes.

    There were signs of the same aimless attack in the ABs that we saw in the Blues under McDonald so can't say I'm too surprised by this. Something wasn't quite gelling behind the scenes. I guess it explains Razor's initial comments after the Pumas loss of disjointed play.

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