Springboks vs All Blacks I
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A lot of comments about the lack of impact from bench. But in the last 15 mins the things that counted against us were TJP not being at ruck when we on their line after lineout; poor exit kicking; yellow card for repeated infringements prior; some one side refereeing.
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As much as that was an appalling refereeing performance, I find it hard to dislike a ref who penalises TJP for yapping. If that had happened in his first test instead of (hopefully) his last, rugby would have been better for it - and who knows, with all that extra time not talking he might have even learned to pass.
That's one of the worst most braindead fullback performances I've seen in a long time. BB is well past his BBD. It's a shame Jordan is playing mediocre at present.
Midfield looked lots better, although Lomax perhaps looking the most natural centre we've seen this year. McKenzie pretty good.
Pack largely pretty good.
Lotsa good stuff really. Unfortunately, from a winning position we had zero composure, with the leader of the headless chook panic stuff being our massively experienced senior leadership BB. Fuck my days.
We always struggle with refs who are lenient on the jackle - because we've convinced ourselves that that part of the game isnt important anymore. This reffing performance was more than that though, I haven't seen a try with a clear knock-on slip through the cracks without even a look in ages, let alone in a match this big - that appears very fucking suss. -
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
This reffing performance was more than that though, I haven't seen a try with a clear knock-on slip through the cracks without even a look in ages, let alone in a match this big - that appears very fucking suss.
The TMO knew it wasn't a try before the next restart. Enquiry please.
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
It was clearly a try, the ref put his hand in air and indicated such!
Yes as you say, that's a fair beerfaction.
Hey everyone life is back to normal, Dan agrees with the powers that be.
Yep and as normal some don't want to accept the laws of the game, no problem, I expect I am right though
TMO didn't see a probelm, neither did ref, so not sure why there an argument.Besides all else I not convinced he lost it forward, looked straight down to me .
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Well that people was what I call a test match. Geez I loved it, ok a slight disappointment at loss, but not enough to make me not love the game!
Thought it was a fair brefection of how game was played out, and would be disappoinetd with anyone blaming ref or individual player. That is how so many AB/Bok game have been played over the years and why I love them so much. Perhaps AB bench players will be a little disappointed, looked caught in headlights a bit, but fellas that's playing at Ellis Park, one of great rugby venues for AB/Bok tests.
Oh and anyone questioning the Boks first try? It was clearly a try, the ref put his hand in air and indicated such!Youve copied and pasted the same post into planet rugby forum you sad prick.
You wont even dignify us with exclusive content.
I don't ever copy and paste a comment, might have said same, but that's ok go for it mate, I put similar on another one where all kiwis were getting called moaning pricks for arguing.
I just realised this might have been your post on PR??
'The match was fixed. Hard to conclude anything else.'
This (your?) posters take on reffing performance. on the ref FFS, just embarassing to me. -
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Also should say: the Saffa 10 looks a gem, and if they can cut out the errors they have some great potential. It was fucking great to see so few box kicks in a game against SA, and despite the result it was a good watch.
Wonderful kicker and looks like he has an all round game. Potential star player.
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Think it's a mistake that Ratima who was clearly the top halfback in the early matches isn't getting the top gig.
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With TJ , I’ve got no idea what he said or if it was deserved,
But he has history of being an annoying prick to refs , so it makes it difficult to go to his defence without knowing exactly what happened,
Boy cried wolf and all that
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
With TJ , I’ve got no idea what he said or if it was deserved,
But he has history of being an annoying prick to refs , so it makes it difficult to go to his defence without knowing exactly what happened,
Boy cried wolf and all that
Exactly. The Nic White effect.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Think it's a mistake that Ratima who was clearly the top halfback in the early matches isn't getting the top gig.
Thought Ratima actually looked a bit overwhelmed when he came on. I really think there is something to the Ellis Park etc thing that the players talk about, I think in long run they maybe better off nursing likes of him into it a little. I thought Aumua and Darry seemed a little overwhemed too. Could of been my imagination.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
With TJ , I’ve got no idea what he said or if it was deserved,
But he has history of being an annoying prick to refs , so it makes it difficult to go to his defence without knowing exactly what happened,
Boy cried wolf and all that
He was blowing up about Boks rolling back on AB side I thought, but probably needed to point it out a little quieter??
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Who do you guys think is in charge of HT tactical changes? Who has the strongest voice in the dressing room?
I assume it’s Razor mostly, but do you think BB / Cane / TJP etc have much of a say?
Because the one thing this entire forum seems to agree on from this game is that it’s the best our midfield has looked in a long time. And while I only played in the 12 jumper at a pretty low grade, I know I always played better when I saw the fucking ball sometimes
So who the hell had the brainwave to stop being patient, stop letting Jordie and Rieko do damage up the middle of the park, and instead have us put up repeated bombs from 10 / 15?
Fuck, we even stopped the attempts at long touchfinders in favour of the shorter bombs
I just don’t get why we went away from what was clearly working - keeping ball in hand and making the bastards tackle us.
It’s like we stopped trying to win and instead tried not to lose - but even that doesn’t explain why we stopped trying to kick deep into their half
Perplexing
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@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
It was clearly a try, the ref put his hand in air and indicated such!
Yes as you say, that's a fair beerfaction.
Hey everyone life is back to normal, Dan agrees with the powers that be.
Yep and as normal some don't want to accept the laws of the game, no problem, I expect I am right though
TMO didn't see a probelm, neither did ref, so not sure why there an argument.Besides all else I not convinced he lost it forward, looked straight down to me .
Jesus Dan, in a loaded field this might be your worst take ever.
Lost it forward cold in to an opposition player. It's stone cold not a try and I can't wait for the official explanation.Sack up Razor and kick off on the press. Rassie got banned for a year but it worked, thr Boks are cheating fluffybunnies kissed on the dick by officials.
It won them a world cup and now a RC
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@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Think it's a mistake that Ratima who was clearly the top halfback in the early matches isn't getting the top gig.
Thought Ratima actually looked a bit overwhelmed when he came on. I really think there is something to the Ellis Park etc thing that the players talk about, I think in long run they maybe better off nursing likes of him into it a little. I thought Aumua and Darry seemed a little overwhemed too. Could of been my imagination.
My mate lived in SA for a year, went to tests at Loftus, Ellis Park, he's also been to Twickenham. Said Ellis Park is next level intimidating, he found it similar in intensity to an EPL match. So must be hugely testing for the players, especially those who have never played there before
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@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
It was clearly a try, the ref put his hand in air and indicated such!
Yes as you say, that's a fair beerfaction.
Hey everyone life is back to normal, Dan agrees with the powers that be.
Yep and as normal some don't want to accept the laws of the game, no problem, I expect I am right though
TMO didn't see a probelm, neither did ref, so not sure why there an argument.Besides all else I not convinced he lost it forward, looked straight down to me .
Wow, you say some shit Dan, but that might top it. He lost it forward and he fell short. The pictures don't lie in this case
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
It was clearly a try, the ref put his hand in air and indicated such!
Yes as you say, that's a fair beerfaction.
Hey everyone life is back to normal, Dan agrees with the powers that be.
Yep and as normal some don't want to accept the laws of the game, no problem, I expect I am right though
TMO didn't see a probelm, neither did ref, so not sure why there an argument.Besides all else I not convinced he lost it forward, looked straight down to me .
Wow, you say some shit Dan, but that might top it. He lost it forward and he fell short. The pictures don't lie in this case
My actual point is mate, what we read in papers is all that counts. We can say it no try until we blue in the face, but if the ref says it is (he may of made a mistake,)but it still a try. My point is if the ref says it a try it is officially etc, and we can't or won't change it.. I can't say the ref's word counts when the decisions go in our favour and then moan when they don't.I said the same when living in Aus and Phil Kearns and co were on tv saying ABs shouldn't of won 2011 WC final, ref gave it to us etc etc.
The number of times I have heard/read it from losing supporters is just ridiculous. -
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
It was clearly a try, the ref put his hand in air and indicated such!
Yes as you say, that's a fair beerfaction.
Hey everyone life is back to normal, Dan agrees with the powers that be.
Yep and as normal some don't want to accept the laws of the game, no problem, I expect I am right though
TMO didn't see a probelm, neither did ref, so not sure why there an argument.Besides all else I not convinced he lost it forward, looked straight down to me .
Wow, you say some shit Dan, but that might top it. He lost it forward and he fell short. The pictures don't lie in this case
My actual point is mate, what we read in papers is all that counts. We can say it no try until we blue in the face, but if the ref says it is (he may of made a mistake,)but it still a try. My point is if the ref says it a try it is officially etc, and we can't or won't change it.. I can't say the ref's word counts when the decisions go in our favour and then moan when they don't.I said the same when living in Aus and Phil Kearns and co were on tv saying ABs shouldn't of won 2011 WC final, ref gave it to us etc etc.
The number of times I have heard/read it from losing supporters is just ridiculous.I won't smooth over that particular decision sorry. However, our loss of control of the collision area and lack of accuracy of our territorial kicking game opened the door for what happened in the final 15 minutes. Not saying the ref didn't make mistakes (lots of them) during that time, but they got momentum and then the ref started to favour them. But if we had executed better on kicks and defence we should have won
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@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Besides all else I not convinced he lost it forward, looked straight down to me .
Even if it was, he's on the ground so he can't recover it and place it - that's a penalty to ABs.
I agree, but did he recover it or just fall on it? I really don't know..It's on 50 seconds on this video.
Make it clear, my AB eyes saw it as lost forward, but my both eyes open say maybe if ABs got it I would be saying that's not forward!!
